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Jony Ive Speaks on Future Products, Working With New Materials

a0me said:
Oh, he knows how to design one. It's the QA part that he doesn't understand yet. I can't remember the last time I've used such an inconsistent and buggy UI in an Apple product.
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Yeah because he designed/QA'd/signed off on this all on his own. The thousands of iOS software engineers have nothing to do with the final product that's released. Craig Federighi doesn't have to sign off on anything (he just has to present it on stage).

I'm running 7.1 on my 5s and iPad Air with no issues other than Safari tabs constantly re-loading (which I also experienced on my 3rd gen iPad running iOS 6) and the odd Safari crash (which maybe happens once a week).

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pankajdoharey said:
Jonny Ive Mentions Titanium if you read the transcript carefully.
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Well the Powerbook was made out of Titanium.
 
AZREOSpecialist said:
Does anyone know when he's going to actually learn how to design a UI?
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Judging by iOS 7, he's already better than most. It's not without its flaws, but IMO it bests all other mobile OS'es, including iOS 6... except for the music app. But hey, it's version 1.0 of Jony's vision. And that vision extended beautifully to Mac OS X Yosemite and iOS 8 looks to be another nice advance on the UX front with new time saving gestures in mail, actionable notifications, contacts in multitasking view, etc.
 
iPadCary said:
I'll say this about 7: when I was running 3-6, ZIPPO problems.
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i would have to call BS on this one!
Literally none. Now? Now with 7, I get crashes every day.
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i have to admit that there are shortcomings but take a look an iOS 8 beta, many bugs to iron out there. However even at this early moment in time beta iOS 8 is fantastic upgrade over iOS 7.
Yes, I have the lastest .n version. And I have an Air!
I'm talking crashes with NOTHING else running in the background,
crashes with simple apps like "Photos" & "Safari", again, WITH NOTHING ELSE RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND.
iOS 7 stinks.
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That may be an problem with Safari. Sure that is part of iOS but the question is who is responsible for app development. I'm not sure we can blame IVe for crappy work on the part of app developers. As I understand it IVE was or is responsible for the the appearance of iOS.
 
All the talk here is the UI, who is responsible for the featureset on iOS8?

To me, that is the winner, freeing up some absurd past restrictions, awesome
 
Struggling through physics right now, I have mad respect for people who do work like this. Hell, even the Samsung people whose products aren't as nice. It's hard, and few like Jony are known for it. I just wish design was valued more. It's hard to put a dollar value on however Apple crammed all that power into iPads, iPhones and MacBook Airs without charging thousands of dollars.
 
mdridwan47 said:
Can't. Roll. Back.
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Like seriously..... anyone fussy with OS designs would have done some checks before the update anyway. And please, guys in this forum knew from the start what iOS 7 was all about.

It's in the human DNA to moan/complain/complain/moan/whine/cry........
 
Software or Hardware (Really Hard ones)

I thought Ive was focussing on UI ! Looks like he is still looking at materials! How they are related?
 
Rogifan said:
Yeah because he designed/QA'd/signed off on this all on his own. The thousands of iOS software engineers have nothing to do with the final product that's released. Craig Federighi doesn't have to sign off on anything (he just has to present it on stage).
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Sure, Federighi is just the senior vp of software engineering, I'm sure he doesn't have to sign off anything...
I'm running 7.1 on my 5s and iPad Air with no issues other than Safari tabs constantly re-loading (which I also experienced on my 3rd gen iPad running iOS 6) and the odd Safari crash (which maybe happens once a week).
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I said that the UI is inconsistent and buggy (and a lot of UI designers and long time Apple fans agree with that observation), not that iOS 7 crashes a lot.
 
BvizioN said:
Like seriously..... anyone fussy with OS designs would have done some checks before the update anyway. And please, guys in this forum knew from the start what iOS 7 was all about.

It's in the human DNA to moan/complain/complain/moan/whine/cry........
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There are two things to consider. The UI & UX. The UI is Jony Ive's department. And it look horrible. On the other hand, the UX is Craig Federighi's department. That's brilliant. So we have to put up with the UI so that we get to use the UX. And the icon's are truly horrible.
 
afsnyder said:
He'll need to be replaced ASAP though. I hope he never leaves honestly. He's done really well so far, hope he doesn't screw things up with the iWatch and iPhone 6.
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Why would he? This guy and his team's track record is second to none in the industry. It is no overstatement to say that had Jonny Ive not been at Apple, it would still likely be a struggling also-ran.

The iMac raised their profile again and the iPod changed their fortunes. The former because it just looked cool and the latter because it also looked amazing, but the click wheel interface showed off this guy's ability to think "new".

Since then we've had the Macbook Pros, the iMacs, the iPhones, the Mac Pro, the Macbook Air, the iPads and the thousand little peripherals, none of which is stock black bought in from a 3rd party in bulk.

That is all as a result of the vision shared by Steve Jobs and Jonny Ive. A brilliant partnership of which we still have 50% in person and 100% in vision.

Someone made reference to firing him. That just won't happen. This guy is more the Forestall and would never be the sacrificial offering. In fact I get the feeling that Maps was the excuse to get rid of Forestall and not the reason.
 
iOSaddict said:
It.Was.Everywhere.On.The.News.
Should.Have.Read.News.Before.Update.
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This ignores the issue that Apple sometimes disables certain functionality in older software, such as Facetime in iOS 6, for any device which could in-theory upgrade to a newer iOS. Therefore "Should.Have.Read.News.Before.Update" isn't really relevant as we're effectively forced to upgrade if we want to keep using that functionality.
 
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mdridwan47 said:
There are two things to consider. The UI & UX. The UI is Jony Ive's department. And it look horrible. On the other hand, the UX is Craig Federighi's department. That's brilliant. So we have to put up with the UI so that we get to use the UX. And the icon's are truly horrible.
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Looks horrible is subjective. I don't think you can separate UI from UX. It's not like Jony lockeded himself away in some room designing the UI and then just handed it over to Craig when he was done. Read their interview with Bloomberg magazine last year. It's pretty clear this is a collaborative process. Ultimately Craig owns software, owns iOS. Do you think he would sign off on something he thought looked horrible? Especially when he's the one who has to get up on stage and show it off?

I find it amazing there has been next to no scuttlebutt about employees inside Apple complaining about the design direction or that Cook gave Ive responsibility for software UI. No stores about about an exodus of software designers in protest or complaints to Cook that Ive is in over his head and doesn't know what he's doing. Surely if that existed inside Apple someone would have leaked it. 9to5Mac's Mark Gurman would have a story like that up in a heartbeat.

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wizard said:
Further iOS 8 builds on and improves iOS 7. It is actually a good improvement to the GUI vs iOS 6.
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Obviously Cook fudged that number, because we all know iOS 7/8 is the worst designed UI in the history or software. /s

EDIT: I am listening to John Gruber's latest podcast and just as I type this he mentioned that the Apple employees he spoke to at WWDC were really happy and one friend said "it's fun again". Credit has to go to Cook and the current leadership team for creating an environment that's "fun again". For as much as employees respected Jobs perhaps they enjoy working under Cook more.
 
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pankajdoharey said:
Jonny Ive Mentions Titanium if you read the transcript carefully.
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Interesting. Vertu luxury phones are now made from titanium. (They used to be made from LiquidMetal before Apple bought exclusive rights.)

jacobj said:
...the click wheel interface showed off this guy's ability to think "new".
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Jon Ive did not invent the clickwheel interface.

According to Apple insiders, the inspiration came from a Bang & Olufson phone:

It's commonly said that the iPod was inspired by Braun's T3 pocket radio. The white, Deiter Rams-designed device looks remarkably similar to the iPod, especially with its scrolling wheel and cigarette-pack-size form factor.

While it's possible Apple took visual cues from Braun's design, the inspiration for the wheel itself came from a different place. "It was a Bang & Olufsen phone," explains the source. "B&O did a phone, like a home phone, and they used a wheel to scroll. [Apple marketing SVP] Phil [Schiller] had seen it, and said, 'Well, we should do that.'"
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When Schiller showed the Apple team the design, the reaction was unanimous. "It was instantaneous: This solves the problem," says the Apple source. "Everyone went, 'Wow!'"

- co.design article series
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Tony Fadell said the same thing about Schiller's suggestion:

I showed the first design to Steve. It had a navigation control, and [marketing chief] Phil Schiller said, "You should do a jog shuttle wheel." And that was it. It all happened in a one-hour meeting. I made the device in foam models. We gave it to Jony to skin it.

co.design iPod oral history
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pdaholic said:
does he always have to maintain a facial expression that makes him seem ready to rip a man's heart out of his chest at any second? :eek:
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Developing hundred-billion-dollar products may make one rather serious.
 
kdarling said:
Interesting. Vertu luxury phones are now made from titanium. (They used to be made from LiquidMetal before Apple bought exclusive rights.)



Jon Ive did not invent the clickwheel interface.

According to Apple insiders, the inspiration came from a Bang & Olufson phone:



Tony Fadell said the same thing about Schiller's suggestion:
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Yep, I think it's pretty common knowledge that it was Schiller's idea for the iPod clickwheel. In Leander Kahney's bio of Ive he mentioned that the original iPod was the only product where Ive's team was basically brought in at the end to "skin it" and that Ive hated it and made sure it never happen again.

Incidentally I've read that some Apple employees say that the original iPod was well into development by the time Fadell was brought on and the real credit for its creation belongs to Jon Rubenstein, not Fadell.
 
Jony should leave UI design to others

I am fine with Jony playing with hardware. But for God's sake please leave UI design to people who have knowledge and experience in it. Listen to what people are saying about iOS 7:

The Verge wrote: "iOS 7 isn't harder to use, just less obvious. That's a momentous change: iOS used to be so obvious." In iOS 7 basic usability features such as making buttons look like buttons are now stuffed under Accessibility options. About this, Tumblr co-founder Marco Arment wrote: "If iOS 8 can’t remove any of these options, it's a design failure." (And iOS 8 hasn't.) Michael Heilemann, Interface Director at Squarespace wrote, "when I look at [iOS 7 beta] I see anti-patterns and basic mistakes that should have been caught on the whiteboard before anyone even began thinking about coding it." And famed blogger John Gruber said this about iOS 7: "my guess is that [Steve Jobs] would not have supported this direction." Enough said.
 
petilon said:
I am fine with Jony playing with hardware. But for God's sake please leave UI design to people who have knowledge and experience in it.
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Do you think the Apple employees who actually implemented the new design don't have knowledge and experience in it? Aren't they essentially the same people who designed iOS 1-6? Btw, yes John Gruber did say Steve wouldn't have approved of iOS 7 but he didn't say Job would've been right. Ask all those people you quoted if they want to go back to iOS 6 and I'll bet they all say no. And I'll bet iOS 9 takes cues from the OSX 10.10 redesign which overall people seem to like.

Btw, on Gruber's most recent podcast says all the Apple employees he interacted with at WWDC were really happy and the common theme was [working at Apple] "is fun again". I suppose that is in spite of Ive's role in overseeing UI design.
 
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JPSaltzman said:
I'm still holding out with iOS6. In fact, I have yet to met an actual person that I know who LIKES iOS 7. Usually they just roll their eyes and shake their head in dismay. Most wish they could go back to iOS 6.

Another reason not to update to iOS 7 is that it requires upgrading to the lovely and equally well-thought-out iTunes 11 -- another piece of Apple software I have yet to hear any absolute raves from people I know. (And yes, they all use Apple products professionally.)
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I love iOS 7 and would never go back. I think people tend to nitpick subjective, aesthetic decisions and wash over iOS 6's faults:

-9-app folders
-quitting and going to Settings for simple toggles
-8 page Safari limit
-clunky multitasking interface
-weather app just showed high and low
-ringtones out of a 1950's cartoon
-lockscreen that covers 50% of your wallpaper
-no Airdrop

I could go on an on. iOS 7 is imminently more useful and usable than its predecessors, regardless of your opinion on color choices, app icons, etc. I can't think of one instance where iOS 6 was actually more useful than iOS 7, can you?

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petilon said:
I am fine with Jony playing with hardware. But for God's sake please leave UI design to people who have knowledge and experience in it. Listen to what people are saying about iOS 7:

The Verge wrote: "iOS 7 isn't harder to use, just less obvious. That's a momentous change: iOS used to be so obvious." In iOS 7 basic usability features such as making buttons look like buttons are now stuffed under Accessibility options. About this, Tumblr co-founder Marco Arment wrote: "If iOS 8 can’t remove any of these options, it's a design failure." (And iOS 8 hasn't.) Michael Heilemann, Interface Director at Squarespace wrote, "when I look at [iOS 7 beta] I see anti-patterns and basic mistakes that should have been caught on the whiteboard before anyone even began thinking about coding it." And famed blogger John Gruber said this about iOS 7: "my guess is that [Steve Jobs] would not have supported this direction." Enough said.
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Way to cherrypick the three most common myopic arguments ever made: 1) something used to be blah blah blah 2) if blah blah doesn't blah blah it's a failure 3) Steve jobs would never blah blah.
 
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