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“Apple executives have said several times that Apple's products are designed for people and not for profit, a sentiment that Ive echoed in his interview.”

Repeat this phrase often enough and it just might become reality. It worked for Dorothy when she clicked her heels together.

Is a digital Pencil that stabs you in the chest when charging “for the people?” Are single-port iPhones and laptops “for the people?” Is an iPod Nano with a wristband and cellular that lasts an hour “for the people?” Apple is living at a time when every product in the lineup has at least one serious design flaw. A time when there are an equal number of lovers and haters of every new release.

What’s on the horizon? The most expensive iMac ever manufactured with no user-upgradable parts. An iPhone with a camera array that blocks the screen. How is it that Ive doesn’t see these things?
 
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I would fully agree with you when you stated that 5 years ago. The Apple of today has lost that vision. Their software is buggy, their designs are compromised and they got leapfrogged in every category today.

Meanwhile many of those companies still emulate and create devices to compete with Apple announces or ships.

In the same way Apple learns from others and improved their products.

Look at the entire iPod line. There were always better products with superior audio, storage space, and later, industrial design. Apple led nothing there yet had the most successful MP3 player in history.

I can't think of a time where Apple was ever the best in the regard to tech, or innovation. It's how it's all put together into a singular package. Something on its own that Google, Microsoft and even Samsung are working to do today.
 
Of course I'm talking about finished products. That's what we buy - finished products. Based on the context of what he said, it's what Ive is talking about as well. Gonna be honest with ya... I have no idea where you're going here. It's a fair bit of distance between what I quoted from Ive and what you've discussed here. There's no relation.

That’s not what I got when I read all his quotes. To me he’s talking about ideas, not a finished product.
 
Meanwhile many of those companies still emulate and create devices to compete with Apple announces or ships.

In the same way Apple learns from others and improved their products.

Look at the entire iPod line. There were always better products with superior audio, storage space, and later, industrial design. Apple led nothing there yet had the most successful MP3 player in history.

I can't think of a time where Apple was ever the best in the regard to tech, or innovation. It's how it's all put together into a singular package. Something on its own that Google, Microsoft and even Samsung are working to do today.


Apple's strength, especially during the iPod era was how they managed to create an MP3 player, that had a good ecosystem, that was also not "geeky". Prior to the iPod, there were many other mp3 players, but they lived in the realm of "geek"

it was through Apples combined design efforts of the iPod, the ecosystem they built around it (Itunes) and then extremely powerful marketing that gave Apple the kickstart to recover and become the juggernaught it is today. (that and opening up the iPod 3rd gen to Windows)
 
The bezel-less part is just one aspect of it. I'm sure Face ID and developing a UI without a home button took a good bit of R&D. Also, unlike smaller firms, Apple has to wait for the tech to mature enough to produce 100's of millions of units, not just a few million.

That old fairy tale, why do folks believe this stuff? What do Apple sell in the 100’s of millions aside from phones? Apple sells pretty modest volumes in their other lines. Is this really the reason the the Macs and the Mac Mini are so stale - they’re waiting for some new tech? Have they really been waiting all those years for OLED screens because they have been available in the 100’s of millions, since the very first galaxy phone? The only thing they wait for is the price of components to come down enough so they charge what they need for them.
 
Why does no one ask about the notches in landscape mode?

Why is that a big deal? You can always dress that up with faux bezels. If you have physical bezels, you can't expand the viewable area. Besides, the notch will be a defining element of the iPhone's design for years to come and stand out amongst the sea of generic looking Android phones.
 
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"Ive said that there are "certain ideas" Apple has in mind, and that the company is "waiting for the technology to catch up with the idea.""

What? Like making the next iPhone & Mac laptops no thicker than a sheet of paper or designing computers that are obsolete on arrival?

I assume that about 90% of MR-readers have some assumptions what might come soon. You are definitively not one of us.
 
He always looks chubby to me... that's why my friends don't believe Apple Watch can help you stay in shape!
Wow! Really? A real person couldn't have written this, this must be a 'bot. Otherwise, shame on you. I pity the person who would call you "friend".
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So they make the same phone for 4 years in a row now?
What? How is it the same phone? Oh, right, it makes calls, takes pictures, and is roughly rectangular. So I am guessing everyone makes the same phone? Because when I look at the iPhone over 4 years the cameras have regularly improved, back and front; the CPU and GPU have moved leaps and bounds (while continuing to be industry leading); the screens have gotten better; the audio has gotten better; they are more water resistant; etc, etc, etc. Same phone my 4$$.
 
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That’s not what I got when I read all his quotes. To me he’s talking about ideas, not a finished product.
Yeah, maybe you did get that when you read all his quotes. I don't see how, but maybe you did. My quote? The one you replied to earlier? That one wasn't about "all his quotes". It was about a specific quote that related to the yearly updated products. Not sure why you used my quote to encapsulate your thoughts about all of his quotes.
 
Yeah, maybe you did get that when you read all his quotes. I don't see how, but maybe you did. My quote? The one you replied to earlier? That one wasn't about "all his quotes". It was about a specific quote that related to the yearly updated products. Not sure why you used my quote to encapsulate your thoughts about all of his quotes.

So you took a single quote out of context to try and make a point?
 
For someone that designs incredible culture defining devices, he has a TERRIBLE dress sense. He dresses like my grandad. Good God man, use your gazillions to get a stylist. Or a mirror. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are we on macrumors or TMZ? There’s no way I can read this without hearing it in a whiny valley girl voice
 
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"Sometimes design inspiration at Apple comes from poorly designed products, and that was the case with the iPhone. According to Ive, a loathing for the current phones at the time motivated Apple to come up with something new. "You think there has to be a better way of doing it," said Ive."


I like this quote. Because I feel this is so true about Apple, where they want to make a product better and a more refined experience than what the competitors do. This is what separates Apple from everybody else and what makes their products and software so unique. They don't want to be the first, they want to be the best.

this is what Hyundai does.
 
So you took a single quote out of context to try and make a point?
Maybe you need to go back and read the article. What I wrote was contextually 100% accurate. Ive was talking about products. He was talking about products in the paragraph I quoted, the one before that, the one before that, and the one before that. So yeah, I took a single quote. Was it out of context? Absolutely not. Try again.
 
Cook, Ive, Cue, etc. all need to retire so Apple can hire on fresh new talent like Microsoft had to do. Their old thinking and complacency are dragging down the products and services.
You know what, I actually agree with you. I think it's time to have new generation of people with creativity to take that leadership.
 
Maybe you need to go back and read the article. What I wrote was contextually 100% accurate. Ive was talking about products. He was talking about products in the paragraph I quoted, the one before that, the one before that, and the one before that. So yeah, I took a single quote. Was it out of context? Absolutely not. Try again.

I did read it. I also read the BI one and the Twitter feed. It seems obvious to me he’s talking about ideas/concepts more than an actual single product.
 
Look at the entire iPod line. There were always better products with superior audio, storage space, and later, industrial design. Apple led nothing there yet had the most successful MP3 player in history.

I can't think of a time where Apple was ever the best in the regard to tech, or innovation. It's how it's all put together into a singular package. Something on its own that Google, Microsoft and even Samsung are working to do today.[/QUOTE]
you are right about that. As far as I can see is Apple isn’t the only one doing it anymore and everybody is mimicking Apple’s approach. Some are very good at it, some not. But the The last 5 years Apple is getting really slow perfecting its hard- and software. It’s not a nimble company anymore. And seeing the size of the company and the few categories they’re focusing on it’s unbelievable how little progress is being made.

Companies like Microsoft, google, amazon, Samsung and lots of other Chinese vendors are delivering very good solutions these days at twice the speed.
 
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