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As I said, I have been a member of this board since 2007. It is sad how things have changed and how rude people are around here. Closed minded people...

It's just sad that any little thing that goes against Apple or anything that might show some promise or inginuity is bashed because it didn't come from Apple.

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-Gromet

I'd relax and do what a lot of posters do: Simply ignore the flames thrown your way. Bear in mind that for every negative post you're reading, there are hundreds of folks who simply noted your OP, and the next time they see a tablet like your on display, they'll take it for a spin.

The vast majority on this board, I think, know that competition makes for better products. I say bring it on HP, et al! Keep Apple on their toes, and maybe drive the price point down some!
 
Getting paid to review a device doesn't guarantee the reviewer knows anything about it. I can tell reading many that at best the reviewer has had the device for a day, and is simply repeating the same unproven dogma found in forums like this.

Someone saying they bought a device and used it for a month doesn't guarantee that it's actually true or that the poster is reviewing it in good faith or that their opinion is worth anything. I can tell reading many that at best the poster has some vested interest in spreading FUD, and is simply repeating the same trollish dogma found in forums like this.

(Not necessarily a dig at the OP, but the problems of professional reviews aren't somehow trumped by random posters on MR)
 
I didn't read through all the replies, and I'm sure someone else quoted this part of your post, but it's worth pointing out again.

Why should anyone here disregard professional reviews and take your word over theirs? I don't and won't...but thanks for sharing your juvenile, for lack of a better word, review.

And believe it or not, trolling is exactly what your doing.

Wow dude, your post was really mean. Why is it that if someone expresses a positive opinion about a non-Apple product, they are "juvenile" and "trolling"? I don't get it. So discussing non-Apple products is verboten here? Is your identity so wrapped up in a corporate symbol that you have lost your ability to reason logically, have an intelligent conversation, and actually think on your own? You're starting to treat your relationship to Apple products as if it were a religion - your behaviors are certainly showing the same types of thinking that religious zealots display.
 
Wow dude, your post was really mean. Why is it that if someone expresses a positive opinion about a non-Apple product, they are "juvenile" and "trolling"? I don't get it. So discussing non-Apple products is verboten here? Is your identity so wrapped up in a corporate symbol that you have lost your ability to reason logically, have an intelligent conversation, and actually think on your own? You're starting to treat your relationship to Apple products as if it were a religion - your behaviors are certainly showing the same types of thinking that religious zealots display.

I agree.

I find it ironic and amusing that the loyal followers of a company whose ad campaign once encouraged everyone to "think different" often attack and belittle the people on these forums who do just that.

Just because a product doesn't come from Apple does not mean it lacks merit. While I am fully "on board" with Apple products of all sorts I also recognize the benefit of other companies getting good products to market. This competition is what drives the industry forward and, from this, we all benefit.

The kind of vitriol thrown around by some members of these forums simply because somebody liked a product from another manufacturer is ugly. It's unfortunate that kind of rudeness is not cause for at least a short forced absence from the forums. Civility and tolerance seem to be fading qualities, if they were ever present, in some members.

m&c
 
I have yet to see anything to confirm something like this.

Flash for mobile devices is terrible, so find it hard to believe that a device like the Touchpad, which has 80% the battery capacity of the iPad, can somehow magically last 2 hours longer when playng a Flash video over an iPad playing a a video in HTML5.

I will find you a link.
TouchPad is optimized for playing video and it can play 10 hours straight but its battery lasts only 8 hours if you use it like any other tablet.
 
Well, Gromet (the op) has been off his kool-aid meds, dumping his apple products lately and going rogue, so i am not surprised that people on the macrumors website took offense and branded him a troll.

if he gets back on his meds then i am sure all of the trolling will be forgiven :)
 
What's the issue. Everyone who cares, knows iOS does not support Flash, has never supported Flash and (hopefully) will never support Flash.

This is well documented. As such, there is no point purchasing an iOS device and moaning it does not have it.

If you need it, buy something else and stop moaning. If you don't need it, or don't care about it, continue to buy iOS devices and enjoy everything else they do.

Jason

While this is true that everyone knows that flash isn't supported how many people who buy ipad (non technical casual users who don't live on the forums such as moms, seniors, Doctors, etc....) have no idea how big of not having flash is. Sure we all know it won't support it but can any of these people possibly know which sites are even using flash? It's like they would never know until they are surfing a site that needs it. If you can't admit that this is just Apple (Jobs) being arrogant and stubborn about the whole flash issue then you've simply become an Apple apolgist. I love Apple products but I can't understand why not give people an option.
 
Congrats!

I played with the touchpad and found it to be cool! I really liked the UI, it felt much more 'advanced' than the iPad, but ultimately the UI i use least. I'm more interested in app's (that's what I'll use my Tab for anyways) and currently apple has the crown on that.

So while I do think the UI was beautiful and slick i'll stick with iOS for 2 reasons. 1. it is better coded and runs more efficiently and 2. I'm already 200$+ invested in applications alone.

Happy you've found something you enjoy though, kudos!

People get too defensive.. choice is a wonderful thing and if OP likes WebOS thats awesome!
 
Without competition, how on earth do we expect Apple to ever change its amateurish, infantile and somewhat feminine app grid display? This thing has changed very little since iOS' debut, and I know Apple likes to emphasize apps because it derives a lot of revenue from that model. However, it could be improved along the lines of what Android and WebOS offer. They do make much better use of the tablet display area than iOS. I welcome that sort of competitive pressure.
 
While this is true that everyone knows that flash isn't supported how many people who buy ipad (non technical casual users who don't live on the forums such as moms, seniors, Doctors, etc....) have no idea how big of not having flash is. Sure we all know it won't support it but can any of these people possibly know which sites are even using flash? It's like they would never know until they are surfing a site that needs it. If you can't admit that this is just Apple (Jobs) being arrogant and stubborn about the whole flash issue then you've simply become an Apple apolgist. I love Apple products but I can't understand why not give people an option.

so, if someone doesn't agree with your OPINION about Apple (Jobs), they are simply labeled an "Apple apologist?"

lol, your next sentence talks about giving people options...
 
Without competition, how on earth do we expect Apple to ever change its amateurish, infantile and somewhat feminine app grid display? This thing has changed very little since iOS' debut, and I know Apple likes to emphasize apps because it derives a lot of revenue from that model. However, it could be improved along the lines of what Android and WebOS offer. They do make much better use of the tablet display area than iOS. I welcome that sort of competitive pressure.

i disagree--the grid is simple and effective, allowing me to get to whatever i need very quickly

(i don't need flashy animations and widget to keep me from getting bored)
 
LMFAO @ the person who said iOS is feminine, what's wrong with you?

Like someone said on page 1, the OS should get out of your way during usage, not entertain you. That's what apps are for. I'd rather have thousands of quality games and apps at my disposal than 100 total apps and flash support in the browser. Apps are much quicker and efficient than using the browser for everything, especially when the browser isn't even that fast. I didn't spend $500+ on a device just to browse the web. My laptop does that just fine!
 
i disagree--the grid is simple and effective, allowing me to get to whatever i need very quickly

(i don't need flashy animations and widget to keep me from getting bored)

Exactly. When your out in the field and you want to find a specific application, it's much quicker and efficient to find it on iOS than it is on Android when you have 5 screens full of widgets that slow everything down and sometimes crash and have to be redrawn.
 
Congrats!

I played with the touchpad and found it to be cool! I really liked the UI, it felt much more 'advanced' than the iPad, but ultimately the UI i use least. I'm more interested in app's (that's what I'll use my Tab for anyways) and currently apple has the crown on that.

So while I do think the UI was beautiful and slick i'll stick with iOS for 2 reasons. 1. it is better coded and runs more efficiently and 2. I'm already 200$+ invested in applications alone.

Happy you've found something you enjoy though, kudos!

People get too defensive.. choice is a wonderful thing and if OP likes WebOS thats awesome!

I made a genuine post earlier in reply to this topic based not on flaming but my hands on experience of WebOS being a pre and pre 2 owner and why IMHO I think HP will fail because of the lack of Apps and developer incentive to create apps for a platform which most carriers simply do not carry or support. Heck there's a post on Engadget subsequently about how Sprint are too dropping WebOS devices. With little platform support in Europe and seemingly now in the USA too - there is not enough push to drive the device into consumers hands, and without consumer adoption there is no reason for developers to release software.

European HP / Palm app store is even more barren than the USA store and with such a lack of major apps let alone 3rd party ones it makes webOS a hollow experience.

I hoped when HP took over Palm that there would be a mammoth push and a wave of apps would arrive in the store, that certainly has not happened.

MultiTasking is fabulous, but unless you have an abundance of apps consumers want to use then it's a pointless experience.

WebOS sadly has little chance of mass adoption at this stage sadly. 3 generations into it and it's main flaw has not been remedied, and without carriers to subsidise the hardware and drive it into consumers hands - things will not change and it will remain a very very 'niche' product. HP will of course then say oh were looking at the Enterprise Market, as soon as they do that they are acknowledging that this will not succeed outside of that. However with Blackberry Playbook already targeting that Market after a lacklustre reception commercially they have even more of a struggle to drive sales of the webOS devices.

There will always be geeks like me who purchase these products to experience the new operating systems just for the sake of adventure, but that doesn't equal mass consumer adoption.

I applaud Gromit for posting that he likes WebOS device but his opening post was very biased, even the way his thread title was phrased. Stating whats great about a device is fine, but the way he missed the glaring obvious flaws of the device and glossed over other ways the product is not a success - only gives merit to those that think he was trolling for a reaction rather than expressing an unbiased opinion. Likewise the way he dismissed other reviewers of the product, in a similar fashion to missing the negatives of the WebOS device.

I like WebOS (enough to have spent €800 on devices so far) but when all is said and done it has little chance of mass commercial success. If someone genuinely asked me for advice on which tablet to buy, I could not advise to go for a WebOS device without pointing out that there is a real problem with app variety (at the end of the day these are devices that run apps) and the way you manage and update or restore your software with rather antiquated JavaScript windows is and remains consumer unfriendly.
 
I made a genuine post earlier in reply to this topic based not on flaming but my hands on experience of WebOS being a pre and pre 2 owner and why IMHO I think HP will fail because of the lack of Apps and developer incentive to create apps for a platform which most carriers simply do not carry or support. Heck there's a post on Engadget subsequently about how Sprint are too dropping WebOS devices. With little platform support in Europe and seemingly now in the USA too - there is not enough push to drive the device into consumers hands, and without consumer adoption there is no reason for developers to release software.

European HP / Palm app store is even more barren than the USA store and with such a lack of major apps let alone 3rd party ones it makes webOS a hollow experience.

I hoped when HP took over Palm that there would be a mammoth push and a wave of apps would arrive in the store, that certainly has not happened.

MultiTasking is fabulous, but unless you have an abundance of apps consumers want to use then it's a pointless experience.

WebOS sadly has little chance of mass adoption at this stage sadly. 3 generations into it and it's main flaw has not been remedied, and without carriers to subsidise the hardware and drive it into consumers hands - things will not change and it will remain a very very 'niche' product. HP will of course then say oh were looking at the Enterprise Market, as soon as they do that they are acknowledging that this will not succeed outside of that. However with Blackberry Playbook already targeting that Market after a lacklustre reception commercially they have even more of a struggle to drive sales of the webOS devices.

There will always be geeks like me who purchase these products to experience the new operating systems just for the sake of adventure, but that doesn't equal mass consumer adoption.

I applaud Gromit for posting that he likes WebOS device but his opening post was very biased, even the way his thread title was phrased. Stating whats great about a device is fine, but the way he missed the glaring obvious flaws of the device and glossed over other ways the product is not a success - only gives merit to those that think he was trolling for a reaction rather than expressing an unbiased opinion. Likewise the way he dismissed other reviewers of the product, in a similar fashion to missing the negatives of the WebOS device.

I like WebOS (enough to have spent €800 on devices so far) but when all is said and done it has little chance of mass commercial success. If someone genuinely asked me for advice on which tablet to buy, I could not advise to go for a WebOS device without pointing out that there is a real problem with app variety (at the end of the day these are devices that run apps) and the way you manage and update or restore your software with rather antiquated JavaScript windows is and remains consumer unfriendly.

I agree with most of what you've said. HP IS trying to get it's OS onto other branded products and it has potential to pick up. FWIW I enjoyed Web OS more than I did Honeycomb.

The reason you've said Web OS is going to fail is the reason I'm using an iPad 2, at the end of the day I want the biggest selection of apps and over Web OS and Android Apple has that.

It doesn't hurt that I don't find Android's OS to be smooth (i've touched on this in other threads) but I enjoyed Web OS and it's setup and style. It was refreshing coming from the Grid look of iOS.

I don't see what any of this has to do with anything though. Most people that buy an iPad don't really use many apps, they like youtube the web browser and email.. maybe a few other neat tricks. For OP maybe those are his only needs, in which case the HP tab is a fine alternative.

Look, the more tabs HP sells the more incentive for apple to innovate. I PRAY Web OS catches on so we can get some serious competition outside of android.
 
Exactly. When your out in the field and you want to find a specific application, it's much quicker and efficient to find it on iOS than it is on Android when you have 5 screens full of widets that slow everything down and sometimes crash and have to be redrawn.

Your talking bollocks. Not once has my phone crashed or slowed down because of Widgets, and the great thing about Android is, if I want it to be a "stupidly"
Simple ui like ios, then I can simply change it myself.

If not,one simple touch is all it takes to display the wall of applications, so basically a touch of one single button is all of takes to view apps just like the entire Ui of ios.

So yea that's much quicker :rolleyes:
 
Apple is perfect, OP. If there's a feature of the ipad or ios you don't like, then you're just wrong and don't get it and Apple is right.
 
Your talking bollocks. Not once has my phone crashed or slowed down because of Widgets, and the great thing about Android is, if I want it to be a "stupidly"
Simple ui like ios, then I can simply change it myself.

If not,one simple touch is all it takes to display the wall of applications, so basically a touch of one single button is all of takes to view apps just like the entire Ui of ios.

So yea that's much quicker :rolleyes:

I'm talking tablets, not phones. I use a Nexus S as my main phone. I've owned a XOOM and GTab 10.1 and I currently own the TouchPad and iPad 2. Honeycomb tablets are VERY buggy, laggy, and when you go back to the homescreen a lot of the time it appears "blank" and has to be redrawn. It's ridiculous. Not to mention when opening applications up, the iPad 2 is nearly instant whereas almost every other OS spends a few extra seconds to "load".

An overcomplicated UI does nothing for the regular user. When I first got the XOOM I let my dad use it and he was pissed at how laggy it was especially on the home screens, it really confused him. I hand him my iPad 2 when I got it and I had to tell him to stop using it because he wouldn't get off! Same with my friends as well. The only thing they liked about HC is the ability to play emulators out of the box, but besides that, they ALL enjoy iOS more. Guess what? Not one person I know says iOS is stupidly simple and they need something more complicated with widgets.
 
I'm talking tablets, not phones. I use a Nexus S as my main phone. I've owned a XOOM and GTab 10.1 and I currently own the TouchPad and iPad 2. Honeycomb tablets are VERY buggy, laggy, and when you go back to the homescreen a lot of the time it appears "blank" and has to be redrawn. It's ridiculous. Not to mention when opening applications up, the iPad 2 is nearly instant whereas almost every other OS spends a few extra seconds to "load".

An overcomplicated UI does nothing for the regular user. When I first got the XOOM I let my dad use it and he was pissed at how laggy it was especially on the home screens, it really confused him. I hand him my iPad 2 when I got it and I had to tell him to stop using it because he wouldn't get off! Same with my friends as well. The only thing they liked about HC is the ability to play emulators out of the box, but besides that, they ALL enjoy iOS more. Guess what? Not one person I know says iOS is stupidly simple and they need something more complicated with widgets.

Why on earth would you buy 4 different tablets within 6 months? And the Xoom sucked at launch (and probably does now, but who knows). You're definitely right that the ipad is the easiest to use, but some of us want more from our OS.
 
Without competition, how on earth do we expect Apple to ever change its amateurish, infantile and somewhat feminine app grid display? This thing has changed very little since iOS' debut, and I know Apple likes to emphasize apps because it derives a lot of revenue from that model. However, it could be improved along the lines of what Android and WebOS offer. They do make much better use of the tablet display area than iOS. I welcome that sort of competitive pressure.

WTF does feminine have to do with anything.
You assume that all users have your preferences (obviously quite masculine) to be rid of the grid. My you are a manly man!

BTW, Apple has a long history of innovating and they seem to do quite well in creating iconic products that are quite functional and desirable.

It seems that many competitors try to emulate Apple and ride the coattails of
Apple innovations. Not that Apple is perfect by any means. I think it took them too long to fix the notifications, etc. However, I put a lot more faith in their creative minds and their visions for their products than I put in your opinions (manly as they are).
 
wtf does feminine have to do with anything.
You assume that all users have your preferences (obviously quite masculine) to be rid of the grid. My you are a manly man!

Btw, apple has a long history of innovating and they seem to do quite well in creating iconic products that are quite functional and desirable.

It seems that many competitors try to emulate apple and ride the coattails of
apple innovations. Not that apple is perfect by any means. I think it took them too long to fix the notifications, etc. However, i put a lot more faith in their creative minds and their visions for their products than i put in your opinions (manly as they are).

lmao. QFT
 
LOL, this thread is too funny.

Especially radiogoober's posts. He's so harsh to the point of being hilarious.
radiogoober, did you graduate med school already or are you still a student? I hope you're not this harsh to your patients! :p
 
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