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Don't trust the reviews, the hardware is solid, the unit is fast, screen is gorgeous. The sound is amazing coming out of this thing. Yes of course there are way fewer apps for webOS at this point compared to iOS BUT with full flash in the browser (which works amazingly well) you don't need half the apps that you do on iOS.

I'm not going to praise or berate. But your comment here is flawed. The reviews SHOULD be trusted, because some of them are valid.

  • Sound cut out issue: this is all over the web. If you have message notifications on there will eventually come a point where the sound output gets completely cut. You have to reboot the device to fix it. This is simply inexcusable in an OS that is 3 versions in.
  • Rotation sensor seems to have a mind of its own at times.
  • First boot takes upwards of 3 minutes. Subsequent cold boots or soft resets take a minute or more. After the first boot the Music app took 3 minutes to render.
  • No built in YouTube app, it just renders the page which is NOT mobile optimized.
  • No built in Amazon apps which have been a staple of the webOS phones, you can't even manually apply them
  • Google offerings are subpar in the store. Not even Google Voice which quite frankly works on EVERY device
  • The big one...sub windows or IFRAMES cannot be scrolled in landscape mode. You have to use portrait mode. Absolutely inexcusable oversight. Use Amazon Cloud Player for an example of this.
 
I may be in the minority, but the apps for iPad aren't that alluring for me. Not nearly in the same way as they are for iPhone. What the iPad2 does well for me is it has an unbelievable battery life and it's extremely fast. In fact, it's just as fast jailbroken. I've never had an iOS device that didn't lose some snappiness after a JB. As for iOS, bells and whistles will keep you entertained for maybe a week. Functionality is the key, and nothing beats iOS in that department.

Windows Phone and WebOS come closest. WebOS has almost the reliability and ease of use of iOS but all the cool little stuff in Froyo and Honeycomb. HP could really provide the first true alternative to iPad by next year. If you gave me an iPad2 with WebOS installed, I'd take that over the iPad2 with iOS 4.3.3 or 5.0.

WebOS really is a wonderful OS but it just lacks killer hardware to back it up. Give me a well-built phone not made of cheapo plastic (cough HTC/Samsung) that is guaranteed to be supported with software patches/upgrades for 2 years and you'd get support from businesses right away. Don't forget, HP is HUGE with corporate integration and they could easily bounce out RIM and Apple with a secure client.

All of that would get me to consider switching from iPhone. That's how good Apple has things going with iPhone. It does everything very well. It's reliable. The OS never crashes on tablet or phone, unlike any other platform. HP stands the best chance of really providing something fantastic; albeit not innovative.
 
Don't trust the reviews, the hardware is solid, the unit is fast, screen is gorgeous. The sound is amazing coming out of this thing. Yes of course there are way fewer apps for webOS at this point compared to iOS BUT with full flash in the browser (which works amazingly well) you don't need half the apps that you do on iOS.

-Gromet

I love the conspiracy nature of your review. *Don't trust the reviews!!111!one!!1!* LOL As if there's a massive conspiracy on the internet to make fun of crappy second-rate devices.
 
I'm gonna give webos tablets another year or two before i even consider buying them.

it would be like buying the iphone 2g, instead of buying the iphone 4. it takes time to developer certain functions and features ( an app store), to buy it now would be really...... hmm knee jerk.

I mean it has like 5000 thousand apps and not a lot of the big developers have support yet. give it time then maybe it can compete.

but then again i don't see what it offers compared to IOS, android and in the future windows.

android: great customization, flash, a constant growing market place and developer support, great mobile phone manufactures ( samsung, htc), a great community that supports it, a great amount of format support. owned buy google so it links stuff like google calendar, google +, gmail, youtube, google docks, google voice, really well, plus you know google will always continue to update it and improve it numerous times a year.


IOS: very simple wall of apps which any man and his dog can use, great company and developer support, icloud and itunes and apple tv support, a great way to bring all the products you own together. an amazing number of apps, always improving ui and ui performance and a strong fan base.


webos:????

it seems to be trying to be like apple, but never will be and i don't get why there is so much hype on here for it.

at least google tries to be different, as in the UI, features and the way the whole android system acts is completely different. t

his just seems like a watered down version of IOS and im not even a fanboy :D ( own samsung galaxy s2 and think android is a better os for me needs).
 
I may be in the minority, but the apps for iPad aren't that alluring for me. Not nearly in the same way as they are for iPhone. What the iPad2 does well for me is it has an unbelievable battery life and it's extremely fast. In fact, it's just as fast jailbroken. I've never had an iOS device that didn't lose some snappiness after a JB. As for iOS, bells and whistles will keep you entertained for maybe a week. Functionality is the key, and nothing beats iOS in that department.

Windows Phone and WebOS come closest. WebOS has almost the reliability and ease of use of iOS but all the cool little stuff in Froyo and Honeycomb. HP could really provide the first true alternative to iPad by next year. If you gave me an iPad2 with WebOS installed, I'd take that over the iPad2 with iOS 4.3.3 or 5.0.

WebOS really is a wonderful OS but it just lacks killer hardware to back it up. Give me a well-built phone not made of cheapo plastic (cough HTC/Samsung) that is guaranteed to be supported with software patches/upgrades for 2 years and you'd get support from businesses right away. Don't forget, HP is HUGE with corporate integration and they could easily bounce out RIM and Apple with a secure client.

All of that would get me to consider switching from iPhone. That's how good Apple has things going with iPhone. It does everything very well. It's reliable. The OS never crashes on tablet or phone, unlike any other platform. HP stands the best chance of really providing something fantastic; albeit not innovative.

I agree with you, their hardware has been lacking. But, with what the Pre 3 and even the TouchPad are packing now. WebOS is well under-way to being a major mobile OS contender for years to come.

Also, as of recently HTC has begun using their aluminum unibody design on pretty much all of their phones. It's very sturdy feeling (I have an HTC Inspire) and though heavier sure, I like the extra weight as it feels to be a very quality product I carry around day to day.

Same can be said for iPads and iPhones, the aluminum backing of my iPad just looks glorious. I am in love with the design and actually get legitimately sad when I had to put a case on my iPad covering up such beauty. But, it's all for the protection of it.
 
Nothing to say regarding the points then.

Ok, I'll bite. Let's have a look at those points of yours.

While the fake multitasking works most of the time, it isn't really multitasking. The only thing its doing is triggering one of a few background services apple allows, depending on the app, and saving state when you exit. Perfect - Not so much. This save state thing causes time outs, crashes, and does not allow running more than 1 app at once; you'll notice if you try to go between too many similar types of apps it'll simply delete the save state randomly of the previous app.

I don't care if it's 'fake' multitasking or 'real' multitasking, I care if it lets me achieve what I'm using the device to do. I've never encountered the problems you report, so unless there is some hard data on the magnitude of this problem and user complaints in response, it's a moot point. 'Real' :rolleyes: multitasking has problems too, such as an iOS user leaving every single App running for no good reason without realizing it.

they're supporting... STANDARD FEATURES... To appeal to someone who, you know, whats to replace their laptop with a tablet. Which you can't do with the ipad because it straight up doesnt work with a significant amount of websites.

Who wants to replace their laptop with a tablet? If I need a laptop, with its pros and cons, I'm going to buy one. If I need a tablet, with its pros and cons, I'm going to buy one. Nobody has said 'a tablet is supposed to replace a laptop and that's how it should be evaluated'. They only say 'the iPad does X for price Y. If that's what you want, here it is.' Why would I buy a competitor's tablet on the grounds it does things a laptop does? If that was what I needed, I would buy a laptop.

Look I have an iPad because it gives me access to apple's world; i use it for content consuming. Don't try and pretend that this thing has no significant, SIGNIFICANT limitations that stop it from being a real work device, because it does. This is why I have an Android phone. Apple should give a central file system so Apps can edit or work with the same file. Apple should also allow flash on their browsers. But they don't, and this is to maintain their DRM and to appease the Music/Movie industry who have given them exclusive contracts.

So you've pre-emptively decided that anyone who uses the iPad to get things done is just pretending. Tell me again why anyone should bother talking to you then? Also, the usual 'real' work vs. 'fake' work conceit, whatever, you've picked the things the iPad doesn't do and post hoc said those are the crucial things the iPad has to do to receive your assent.

Anyway I'm not sure what we are arguing at this point - my fault as well as yours - blind leading the blind, you're clearly an Apple apologist which is fine.

What the @#$% is this? People who disagree get met with "You're clearly an Apple apologist" and then you get mad when people don't bother to address what you say.

On one hand they milk their customers dry and limit significantly the features on their devices on the other hand they make their limited features work very easily and make them super accessible to people where maybe on Symbian/Android it would be more muddled or take half a brain cell to figure out. . . . This is their formula. They've looked at the feature set of devices on the market and cherry picked the ones that people use the most, neutered them, made them pretty. They treat their customers like children queuing up to the ice cream truck with dollars in their hands.

Oh, I see, when people buy Apple products they have been brainwashed into liking flashy simple things, whereas if they were as minimally smart as you they would make your reasoned decisions. Clearly the lack of widgets and animated wallpaper, as well as the ability to play Flash games and homebrew animations is what distinguishes the superficial Apple iPad from the sophisticate competitor tablet, because the latter is for 'real work'.

Why, just the other day, I spent hours working within a file system. Realizing that a mouse, keyboard, and desktop OS is designed to let me do exactly this most efficiently, I said 'hoo boy I hope I can replace this existing device which meets my needs perfectly with a touch screen that I can mash my sausage fingers against all day.'

Yes, what can anyone say against such genius, clearly this deserves this extended rebuttal!
 
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I certainly agree, webOS is quite nice.

I just picked up the same model you have, over the weekend. In my case I did not buy it to replace my iPad but rather as another nice choice to have in the house and to share with other family members.

We now have a couple of iPads (1 & 2) as well as a new Galaxy Tab which is quite fantastic in it's own right, as well as the new HP.

Frankly the very best aspect of both the Android and webOS tablets is their ability to run flash, fast, cool and totally trouble free just like using a PC laptop such as one of my various ThinkPads.

There is simply no substitute for providing full web access.

If the iPad was not so limited in terms of web sites that you cannot view due to the lack of Flash. I would not have gone to the others. I prefer Apple industrial design and the little refinements that Apple typically offers.

But to ignore flash was a complete and serious mistake on Apples part.

However sales numbers have proven that most people don't know enough about what they use to miss it, and they have no clue they cannot access any site they wish.

That limitation, has been cleverly overcome by Apples ever successful marketing machine.

Yet for those of us with skill, knowledge and full awareness. Flash is a great tool.

Ok so now a days people have enough money to buy not only a single tablet (luxury item) but 2 just to play with different OS's? Wow!
 
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Ok so now a days people have enough money to buy not only a single tablet (luxury item) but 2 just to play with different OS's? Wow!

Some of us worked very hard at starting our own businesses, invested in good stock bets (hint AAPL), and continue to work very hard at growing our businesses so that someday we will never have to work again. Ever. In the meantime, why not enjoy the ride when our efforts have generated a comfy income? :)
 
This is an apple centric forum for pete's sak!

This is a forum for people who are so interested in Apple and its products that they regularly read a web site devoted to rumors about all things Apple. Then you come on and say, look at me, I bought something way better than what the rest of you like. So long suckers! Nyah nyah nyah.

OK, I was inferring that last part. What does it have to do with close mindedness or anything else? So you like the HP. Good for you. Enjoy. I doubt that things have changed on this board. People are interested in Apple. People are interested in other products and lines in so much as they compare to Apple or show new things that Apple might be doing. They are not so interested (um, by "they" I mean "I") in people coming to offer nothing but, my non-apple stuff is waaaay better than what you like. Nyah nyah nyah.:rolleyes:

I was never looking to "justify" anything and GOD knows i'm not looking for any sort of sympathy. Since when is it taboo to come to a bord I have been a member of for YEARS and not be able to give an opinion on a new product that is out?

As I said, I have been a member of this board since 2007. It is sad how things have changed and how rude people are around here. Closed minded people...
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-Gromet
 
I am not jumping ship for another tablet, but for financial reasons.

Need to consolidate my "toys" for now, so I am sticking to my MBA and iPhone combo (instead of iMac, MBA, iPhone AND iPad; jeez).
 
Just substitute "BRAND X" with any Apple iDevice competitor.

All these threads sound the same.

So I bought a new BRAND X last Friday. I have an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4. I got the BRAND X at about 10:00am last Friday, Buy 1:00 in the afternoon I was at my local AT&T store and upgraded from my iPhone to an BRAND X. I have been using the BRAND X combo exclusivly since Friday afternoon and to be honest, I think I'm done with my iOS devices.*

I have been on the Apple bandwagon since the first iPhone was released. To be honest, i'm bored of it. For the past four years nothing with the UI has changes. It's stale. It took the this long (iOS 5) to fix the notifications which were an absolute nightmare.

To tell you the truth, BRAND X is AMAZING! The UI is fresh, multitasking is awesome on this device.*

Full flash does make a difference, I didn't realize what I was missing until I started browsing with the BRAND X.

Don't trust the reviews, the hardware is solid, the unit is fast, screen is gorgeous. The sound is amazing coming out of this thing. Yes of course there are way fewer apps for BRAND X at this point compared to iOS BUT with full flash in the browser (which works amazingly well) you don't need half the apps that you do on iOS.

For my daily, web browsing, email reading, etc, BRAND X smokes iOS. There are more Apps coming daily too.

The wat the BRAND X Integrates with the BRAND X is awesome.

I hear people complain about the weight compared to the iPad 2. SERIOUSLY? There is barely ANY difference when you hold them up together, anyone who is actually complaining about this is nit picking. and the thickness, COME ON, yes, the touchpad is a little thicker, but it fits really well in the hand. I think it's size is just right. I had an iPad1 and upgraded when iPAD 2 came out, and I never really loved the way the iPad 2 felt compared to the original, I think the little bit of thinkness gives you a better hold on the devics. Smaller is NOT always better.

Anyway, I'm not trolling here, I'm just trying to let people know that my feeling on the BRAND X in general and maybe some will take a look at it and feel as I do that it just is a better fit then iOS.

-BRAND X User
 
ROFL!

YUP. All of these "ship jumpers" use ridiculous hyperbole to spam info on whatever junk device is popular in the masochistic technology crowd.
 
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However sales numbers have proven that most people don't know enough about what they use to miss it, and they have no clue they cannot access any site they wish.

That limitation, has been cleverly overcome by Apples ever successful marketing machine.

Yet for those of us with skill, knowledge and full awareness. Flash is a great tool.


Woow, seriously ?

It's great to have such people with all the skill and awareness between us, thank you sir for making the world a better place :(
 
Woow, seriously ?

It's great to have such people with all the skill and awareness between us, thank you sir for making the world a better place :(

Yup, LOL. Can you believe how deluded a person must be to actually think that using Flash makes you skilled, knowledgeable, and aware?

You gotta love the internet. We'll insult each others dead mothers just because we disagree about Flash.
 
Yup, LOL. Can you believe how deluded a person must be to actually think that using Flash makes you skilled, knowledgeable, and aware?

You gotta love the internet. We'll insult each others dead mothers just because we disagree about Flash.

Haha yeah I believe cause I've just seen it with my eyes

Lol @ dead mothers :D
 
To the OP, I'm with you. I sold my ipad 2 and bought a TP a few days ago and am very happy with that decision. I too like the form factor quite a bit. I admit I wish it had the battery life of an ipad 2, but to be honest that really will have no impact on me at all. You can still easily get a full days of hard use out of it, and I charge nightly anyway so it is a moot point. The fact I just just set this on the charging stand and not have to plug it in is a plus for the HP anyway.

The app catalog is sparse, no question. My biggest worry is the TouchPad won't catch on enough to garner dev response. I had about 160 apps on the ipad. I'll miss maybe 8 of them if I can't get them on the TP.

Overall I'm very happy with the swap. It's a shame that people are so rabid about a device that they will never consider another option. The way the TouchPad multitasks is a HUGE plus over the ipad way of doing things.

I'm not saying the TP is better than the ipad, but it's a worthy competitor.

It sounds like that you got the iPad 2 because it was the best, however, you are not a true fan of apple products. It is too good that you want to leave it, right? Flash is will be a minority in the future. What good is the multi-task when there are not much choice among the apps? Plus, the touchPad has 1 camera. Plus, from reviews, it is sluggish and buggy. iOS 5 adds a lot of compelling features like airplay mirroring. There are plenty of great apps on the ios. Maybe some of the these posts are from HP employees or Android employees. They are aiming to change our minds and cause a rift!!!
 
So I bought a new HP Touchpad last Friday. I have an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4. I got the Touchpad at about 10:00am last Friday, Buy 1:00 in the afternoon I was at my local AT&T store and upgraded from my iPhone to an HP Veer. I have been using the Touchpad/Veer combo exclusivly since Friday afternoon and to be honest, I think I'm done with my iOS devices.

I have been on the Apple bandwagon since the first iPhone was released. To be honest, i'm bored of it. For the past four years nothing with the UI has changes. It's stale. It took the this long (iOS 5) to fix the notifications which were an absolute nightmare.

To tell you the truth, webOs is AMAZING! The UI is fresh, multitasking is awesome on this device.

Full flash does make a difference, I didn't realize what I was missing until I started browsing with the Touchpad.

Don't trust the reviews, the hardware is solid, the unit is fast, screen is gorgeous. The sound is amazing coming out of this thing. Yes of course there are way fewer apps for webOS at this point compared to iOS BUT with full flash in the browser (which works amazingly well) you don't need half the apps that you do on iOS.

For my daily, web browsing, email reading, etc, webOS smokes iOS. There are more Apps coming daily too.

The wat the Touchpad Integrates with the Veer is awesome.

I hear people complain about the weight compared to the iPad 2. SERIOUSLY? There is barely ANY difference when you hold them up together, anyone who is actually complaining about this is nit picking. and the thickness, COME ON, yes, the touchpad is a little thicker, but it fits really well in the hand. I think it's size is just right. I had an iPad1 and upgraded when iPAD 2 came out, and I never really loved the way the iPad 2 felt compared to the original, I think the little bit of thinkness gives you a better hold on the devics. Smaller is NOT always better.

Anyway, I'm not trolling here, I'm just trying to let people know that my feeling on the Touchpad andwebOS in general and maybe some will take a look at it and feel as I do that it just is a better fit then iOS.

-Gromet

Buh bye!:rolleyes:
 
I bought both a Pre and later a Pre 2 just to experience Web OS. It has some positives, but the lack of official Apps is an absolute killer, especially a lack of regionally tailored Apps.

The fact that the majority of users seem to have to root the device and install PreWare in order to increase the amount of available Apps is NOT a good thing, it's a pain in the hole.

As much as I like my Pre 2 it could never be my full-time smart phone simply because of the lack of official support, and I do not see Web OS 3 on the touchpad changing that.

The Pre 2/ 3 and HP Veer do / will not sell well outside of the USA, much like how the Pre 2 had no real carrier support in Europe.

This means there is no extra oomph for marketing, to drive sales globally and very little incentive for developers to go to any trouble supporting it, leaving it's App store like the barren whore once again.

Whilst the blackberry playbook may struggle to find any sizeable marketshare, the HP Touch, Veer and Pre 3 will be nibbling on an even smaller Market.

I'm not saying Web OS isn't a good OS, but it just fails to live up to it's potential all the time IMHO. Slapping it inside hardware that despite the OP's assertion that hey size doesn't matter, is overly bulky compared to it's competitors and imho plastic cheap looking does not help it's cause.

Likewise the Pre 2 and Veer are the cooky cousins of phone design. In a world where anything over 8-9mm thick is seen as superflouous, the fact that these chunky egg like devices will never truly take the 'mass' Market by storm. They are original, they are cooky, they do feel nice in the hand, but they are NOT importantly seen as cool, elegant or aspirational products.

In a world where your priced the same as the leading competitors, being a bit chubby and wearing an OS that hangs like a pretty but badly fitted dress (it has a lack of support in all the key areas) is not a real viable Market winner.

I had hopes that HP could turn WebOS around, but it's merely making the same mistakes Palm made - albeit with a bigger backing of cash but without correcting where Palm went wrong.

Sadly by the time get it right with Web OS and have hardware people care about, it will be too late. The Market is pretty much sewn up and given another 12 months any gap in the Market will be reduced in size even more so.

A promising OS wasted. Commercially unattractive and lacking developer support and specifically lacking 'global carriers' to subsidise cost of it's handsets - WebOS is dead in the water before it was ever given the chance to truly swim. HP's involvement is disappointing and lacks any real gumption to save this drowning ship unfortunately.
 
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That's a really good point about the size/materials, too! How could they bring this product to market, when they knew that it was way thicker, heavier, and cheaper feeling than the iPad? How could they not design it to at least be equal to Apple?
 
That's a really good point about the size/materials, too! How could they bring this product to market, when they knew that it was way thicker, heavier, and cheaper feeling than the iPad? How could they not design it to at least be equal to Apple?

It's barely heavier, 3 ounces. Thicker yes, I suspect it is because of the wireless charging system. You want to leave some room in there from my understanding. Other than the slippery plastic back, it is not cheaper feeling. The screen is just as good as the iPad's, the sound is superior.
 
I agree with what your saying. I have felt in the past that my iphone was "boring" and had to switch to something else to add a little spice in life. That is something Apple never seems to grasp. Its their way and dont you dare thing of another way to do it.

That said, I do enjoy my iphone 4 and think its the best phone i have owned, together with my ipad2.
 
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