Justice Department Wants Apple to Extract Data From 12 Other iPhones

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  1. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    #126
    Do you have any idea how people get on that list? What it takes get a name off if incorrect?
    btw - it's actually a "watch list" and contains far more than "terrorism" suspects.
     
  2. Jsameds macrumors 68040

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    #127
    This whole thing is like watching a car crash in slow motion.
     
  3. carrrrrlos macrumors 6502a

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    The FBI pursuing Apple to find something, anything, on the iPhone, leads me to believe they have nothing so far.

    Their lack of knowledge prior to the terrorist incident will only be amplified during the trials ahead. Apple will somehow be responsible for their incompetence.
     
  4. ColdShadow macrumors 65816

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    I didn't know Bill Gates also backed FBI on this,I've lost any respect I had for him (due to his past and his charity works) now.
    I will ditch my One Drive account and already got rid of my Xbox One.I don't want anything associated with his name and his (former) company.

    This bullying authority nonsense culture must end.
    it's clear the whole terrorist/criminal phone thing is just an excuse to force Apple let them breach peoples privacy and access their personal data.
     
  5. mr.steevo macrumors 65816

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    #130
    I seem to remember reading about this story before Apple and Tim Cook responded to the court order.

    Anyway, I find it interesting that the 12 iApostles story has come out now. Is court law in the U.S. based on a public opinion poll? Bring on the Holy War? And BTW too bad for the rest of the planet?

    Will other countries get their appeal in court too?
     
  6. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    #131
    precedent
    n
    1. (Law) law a judicial decision that serves as an authority for deciding a later case
    2. an example or instance used to justify later similar occurrences
    adj
    preceding


    As this would be a new version of the writ powers that forces a company to build something new (something that the writ has never done before) and would be used to for other similar cases as a point, I think the definition as used fits well.
     
  7. Rigby macrumors 601

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    #132
    This is a bit naive. What they are asking Apple to do is deliberately weakening the phone's security. If this goes through, who is to say that they won't demand more modifications that will weaken it in case of stronger passcodes too? For example, they could demand that Apple use a weak random number generator that would drastically reduce the search space and make stronger passcodes brute-forcable as well (google "Dual_EC_DRBG" if you think that's outlandish).
     
  8. budselectjr macrumors 6502a

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    #133
    Across the country there are around 150 or so similar cases so 12 is low.
     
  9. digitalcuriosity macrumors 6502

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    Why does slick billy old Microsoft bill Gates wants Apple to comply with the FBIs demands? could it be he is now a government lacky? Or does he feel it's just the right thing to do? give us a break Gumboy Gates just sit down and go save other countries also SHUTUP.....
     
  10. macfacts macrumors 68040

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    #135
    And one of those steps in the description you would get is that the backdoor software is 1) hard coded to your client's iPhone ID and 2) digitally signed by Apple with a signing key only Apple has.

    So even if the description of how the backdoor is made, no one can do anything with it because they can't sign it. If it can't be signed, it can't be installed on a stock iPhone (one that is not jailbroken).

    These digital signiture are also what Apple uses for apps in the app store. You can't install an app your friend bought.
     
  11. street.cory macrumors 6502

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  12. lchlch macrumors 6502a

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    #137
    Just theoretical question. Is it possible to transplant the iPhone ID to another phone?
     
  13. bingeciren macrumors 6502a

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    #138
    For fascist governments, terrorism is such a handy excuse to exert more power and restrict freedom.

    Next they will try to make any encryption illegal because it is possible to further encrypt any information within a phone, a computer or any electronic storage device. While they are at it, they would also wish to make it illegal to protect the contents of any document in a way that the document self destructs within a set number of failed attempts to open it.

    Unfortunately, the net loser in this game will always be the innocent.
     
  14. Merode macrumors 6502a

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    #139
    Apple devices are owned not only by Americans. Why should US Government have backdoor to my phone?

    If Apple does what FBI requires of them, it's going to be PR cataclysm that is going to hurt Apple a lot (of money).
     
  15. naeS1Sean macrumors 6502a

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    #140
    Please Apple. Please be strong and stand up for us all.
     
  16. jmoore5196 macrumors 6502a

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    #141
    Imagine that.

    And to the Mods, who will no doubt cite me for a two-word post: Under certain circumstances, "Imagine that" is a remark of great import. This is one such circumstance.
     
  17. Rigby macrumors 601

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    #142
    The often mentioned 80ms is not the "mandatory delay" that they want to have removed. It's just how long it takes a phone with a certain CPU to compute a key from a passcode due to the algorithm that Apple uses (which is deliberately designed to make the hash function hard to compute). So this delay cannot be removed.
    With a well designed hash function with many rounds it takes many years to brute-force a good 8-character password even with the fastest super computer.
     
  18. npmacuser5 macrumors 65816

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    New iPhone "Mission Impossible Case", your phone will self destruct in 12 seconds, Pre-Order today. Point, close one door bad folks will just open another.
     
  19. Aldaris macrumors 68000

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    #144
    Doesn't matter whether it's a D or an R they are both at fault here, supporting the NSA and mass surveillance, both calling for "security over privacy". The politics and optics from both are disgraceful here.
     
  20. digitalcuriosity macrumors 6502

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    Bill Gates thinks Apple should comply with the FBIs demands. I wonder why?
     
  21. Aldaris macrumors 68000

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    I believe Apple requested a seal on this legal request/government coercion. It was the government agencies that did not honor that request and Apple/Tim responded publically before everyone started going nuts. As we can obviously see here in this thread.
     
  22. furi0usbee macrumors 68000

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    #147
    Hey, now Apple finally has something productive for their employees in Ireland.... help the US government crack iPhone encryption! See, I knew Apple could find something useful for the folks in Ireland to work on!!!!

    Seriously though, Apple needs to fight this until the end. The light at the end of the tunnel is banning all encryption from devices sold in the USA. That's where this thing could end up. So Apple must fight this for all of us.
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    Didn't Bill already give the FBI access to Skype's "encryption?"
     
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  24. Rigby macrumors 601

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    It's the DoJ that first made it public. Initially I thought it was a well intentioned if misguided move. But now it's looking more and more like a well prepared, deliberate strategy. Since congress wasn't willing to give them their backdoors, they are now trying to use public opinion against Apple in order to make an example of them.
     
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