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Even though I'm not aware of the reason behind, I don't like people changing their mind constantly. Ok, I also don't like West (as a person).
 
You go ahead and tell me whose album got a perfect 5 stars from Rolling Stone
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy-20101109

Then, go ahead and tell me whose album was declared best album of the CENTURY according to GQ
http://www.gq.com/story/21-best-albums-of-the-21st-century?currentPage=1

Sorry, but I don't think Rolling Stone and GQ is "no one".
Nah both of those were someone years ago. Nowadays they are just click baiting for attention. I have been getting rolling stone for free for the past 2 years. Lol
 
Humor me. Why would I hate Steve Jobs? Jobs was a very private person, he did very few things in public. He certainly never tweeted idiotic things or publicly insulted the public's intelligence. As a matter of art, I think more of Ive's art is in the iPhone than Jobs'. Moreover, I don't hear either of their voices when I use the iPhone.

To put your idiocy in perspective, I'll use your own words to argue against your own point.

"The artist's personality is reflected in their art"

If that were the case, Steve's rude personality should be reflected in your iPhone every time you use it.

I can't believe I actually had to lay that out for you. I'm sorry for you that you needed that.
 
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This is just ridiculous, resorting to FUD. By that measure we can't be *sure* of anything the Beatles did either. You're grasping at straws but even if you want to make an assumption that he never wrote a single lyric, never composed a measure, and hired a voice double to record every word, he still then has a tremendous marketing talent to move as many albums as he has and a talent for team building and talent acquisition to pull together the shadowy conspiracy that's *really* produced all of his body of work.

Wrong again. Talent is like a religious belief. I'm studying classical piano currently. No matter the so called talent, being a great musician requires a ton of work. I'm not sure late nights in the studio Are equivalent.

We can be sure of what the Beatles did because they were trained musicians who played instruments.Does Kanye?

Your use of the word talent is what I object to. Yes he can market things but so what with enough money anybody can. Basically I would equate his position with luck, not talent.
 
That is some surprising reading. I wonder now how out of touch I am with that stuff though. I have never owned anything at all;
By any artist higher than position 10.
By any male artist higher than position 8.
By any female artist, Ok position 2.
By any group higher than position 15.

That Grammy Award list shows that there is no relationship between quality of music or musical talent and the Grammy Awards.
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Thank you for your subjective opinion. I strongly disagree with you and rightfully assume you have awful taste in music. Moving on.

Hilarious.

Kanye West is not music; it is garbage.

Rachmaninoff is one of the greatest composers to have ever lived. His talent surpasses Kanye's so much that it is like comparing a child's first drawing to The Sistine Chapel.
 
That Grammy Award list shows that there is no relationship between quality of music or musical talent and the Grammy Awards.
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Hilarious.

Kanye West is not music; it is garbage.

Rachmaninoff is one of the greatest composers to have ever lived. His talent surpasses Kanye's so much that it is like comparing a child's first drawing to The Sistine Chapel.

Your opinion is not of mine. I actually feel the exact opposite of you. Crazy! Two separate people have two separate opinions on the internet!! It must be a first!
 
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I don't really check for his stuff these days. I've always found his lyricism to be simple and basic but his production helped make up for it. I don't even hear solid production from him very much anymore.
 
Why is this news? The sooner we stop talking about that guy, the sooner he will fade away. Please stop talking about him.
You know YOU have the option to stop reading about him and let US carry on talking about him right? That way we all win.
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But have you heard him sing?


Like...wow. He's got some talent... He also remembers words.
Ok, much as I don’t agree with most of what you said, that was just plain funny.
 
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To put your idiocy in perspective, I'll use your own words to argue against your own point.

"The artist's personality is reflected in their art"

If that were the case, Steve's rude personality should be reflected in your iPhone every time you use it.

I can't believe I actually had to lay that out for you. I'm sorry for you that you needed that.

There is a huge difference. Jobs was never rude to the public at large. Sure there are many anecdotes of his rudeness to his co-workers. We can have a long debate whether the ends justify the means; some people believe Jobs rudeness resulted in the best products for Apple; others disagree and say the rudeness was unnecessary and ugly. But no one thinks Jobs was rude to Apple customers in a public way.

Kanye is rude to his own fans, he is rude to the music industry as a whole, he airs his dirty laundry publicly on twitter. He acts like a huge jerk in public all the time. He insults everyone's intelligence when proclaiming that he is the most important living artist, comparing himself to Mirroson or Hendrix, claiming he is like Picasso. He even said he is the Steve Jobs of the internet! And it's not like Kanye did this personally behind closed doors to his colleagues, he says these things publicly before the world as his audience. And there is no debate to be had about whether Kanye's douchey behavior justifies the ends. It doesn't.
 
In music circles Kanye is a very well respected and since the beginning a critically acclaimed artist. Regularly his albums are rated high on rateyourmusic, pitchfork media, rollingstone, metacritic ect.. Sure he's completely ridiculous sometimes, but outside of personal preference in music, most metrics (critics, hardcore music fans, and even silly industry standards like the Grammy's) love the guys music. I haven't been able to get into Bob Dylan (I guess I prefer Joni Mitchel's, or Nick Drake's folk style more!) but I can't deny that he's a very well respected artist, with critical and commercial success at every level. The same could be said for Kanye West.

For someone who is commercially successful, he's one of the few that explore avant garde, experimental, and progressive music. Each one of his albums explores a different sound not unlike David Bowie's 1970's output. I understand the hate he gets from people because he brings it on himself, but I think a lot (not all) of the hate towards his music comes from people who are bias towards him, or wouldn't be interested in his style of music period.
 
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Even if you want to try to derail the legitimacy of GQ and Rolling Stone, how about the Grammy's? Are you going to find a way to argue their lack of legitimacy as well?

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Wrong again. Talent is like a religious belief. I'm studying classical piano currently. No matter the so called talent, being a great musician requires a ton of work. I'm not sure late nights in the studio Are equivalent.

We can be sure of what the Beatles did because they were trained musicians who played instruments.Does Kanye?

Your use of the word talent is what I object to. Yes he can market things but so what with enough money anybody can. Basically I would equate his position with luck, not talent.

In most situations talent should be possible to acknowledge even if you dislike the work product of said talent. To continue your religion analogy, Christians can acknowledge that Hinduism is a religion even if they disavow all of its tenets. Talent doesn't mean "something I like" or even "something I respect", it's possession of a skill. And if you think his art requires zero skill (untrue but let's just take this to an extreme) then you need to acknowledge his talent for selling it to consumers; either way the man possesses talent.

The problem with FUD is that it's difficult to disprove. Can you prove the musical training of the members of the Beatles? You're making allegations regarding Kanye West without any real support either. This is bordering on tin-foil hat territory.

But you're correct that deep pockets make everything successful. Now please excuse me as I drive home in my Ford Edsel to watch the XFL on Microsoft WebTV while I drink a refreshing New Coke. (posted from my Apple Newton)
 
Therelease of Famous comes a few weeks after Westtweeted that The Life of Pablo would "never never never" cometo Apple Music or iTunes.The context of that tweetmay point towards a less-than-serious mindset from the artist, because around the same time he tweeted about being$53 million in debt while using the social network to ask for money from Facebook founder MarkZuckerberg.
Whoring Up with the Kardashians.
 
Even if you want to try to derail the legitimacy of GQ and Rolling Stone, how about the Grammy's? Are you going to find a way to argue their lack of legitimacy as well? Go ahead and look at the rankings. There are only 9 other artists that have won more Grammy's than Kanye West. Sorry, but you look ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_records#Most_Grammys_won

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BTW didn't Milli Vanilli win Best New Artist along with Paula Cole, Hootie, and Men at Work, and didn't Steely Dan beat Eminem's "The Marshall Mathers LP" and Radiohead's "Kid A" for Album of the Year in 2001?
 
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LOL sorry, but magazine critics are just people whose opinions happen to end up on a website. If somehow being on a website makes them more legitimate than others, then I guess everyone on this forum deserves one of your altars.

And being part of Rolling Stone or GQ doesn't make a person "someone," sorry.

Kind of like you making comments here doesn't make you "someone".
 
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That Grammy Award list shows that there is no relationship between quality of music or musical talent and the Grammy Awards.
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Hilarious.

Kanye West is not music; it is garbage.

Rachmaninoff is one of the greatest composers to have ever lived. His talent surpasses Kanye's so much that it is like comparing a child's first drawing to The Sistine Chapel.

And he had HUGE HANDS!!!!
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You know YOU have the option to stop reading about him and let US carry on talking about him right? That way we all win.
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Ok, much as I don’t agree with most of what you said, that was just plain funny.

Wasn't it?
 
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BTW didn't Milli Vanilli win Best New Artist along with Paula Cole, Hootie, and Men at Work, and didn't Steely Dan beat Eminem's "The Marshall Mathers LP" and Radiohead's "Kid A" for Album of the Year in 2001?

Your point is just about as dumb as the fictional cartoon idiot in your gif. Again, music is subjective, there will be times where the Grammy's makes the "wrong" decision. But it's not like Kanye has three or four Grammy's to dispute. He has 21. Top 10 of all time. At that point it's no longer a fluke or luck, it's artistic talent and genius.
 
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