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LOL sorry, but magazine critics are just people whose opinions happen to end up on a website. If somehow being on a website makes them more legitimate than others, then I guess everyone on this forum deserves one of your altars.

And being part of Rolling Stone or GQ doesn't make a person "someone," sorry.
Hahaha... lol!

Kanye suddenly has 53 millions of reasons to maximize his earnings..... is Kim packing her bags soon? :D
 
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There is a huge difference. Jobs was never rude to the public at large. Sure there are many anecdotes of his rudeness to his co-workers. We can have a long debate whether the ends justify the means; some people believe Jobs rudeness resulted in the best products for Apple; others disagree and say the rudeness was unnecessary and ugly. But no one thinks Jobs was rude to Apple customers in a public way.

Kanye is rude to his own fans, he is rude to the music industry as a whole, he airs his dirty laundry publicly on twitter. He acts like a huge jerk in public all the time. He insults everyone's intelligence when proclaiming that he is the most important living artist, comparing himself to Mirroson or Hendrix, claiming he is like Picasso. He even said he is the Steve Jobs of the internet! And it's not like Kanye did this personally behind closed doors to his colleagues, he says these things publicly before the world as his audience. And there is no debate to be had about whether Kanye's douchey behavior justifies the ends. It doesn't.
Very much this. I love Apple hardware because it works really well. Because it was made by people who were trying really hard to do something great (and they succeeded brilliantly). Steve Jobs was a very private person. He was by all accounts quite difficult to work with, and often quite harsh to people. He was very passionate, about making the best devices he could.

Kanye West is also very passionate. About Kanye West. He's pretty much the reigning queen of self-aggrandizement (despite Trump's hard work to unseat him). Lupend88 would appear to be a very dedicated early member of the Kanye West Fan Club, possibly in the low thousands. The founder, and first 999 members, of the Fan Club are Kanye West. Nobody is a bigger fan of Kanye West than Kanye West, and no matter how much talent he may have, he claims to have orders of magnitude more. Loudly. And often. This is a large part of why so many people don't like him, I think.

Standing on the mountaintop screaming continuously about how great you are, doesn't make people think you're great, it makes them think you're a jerk, and/or mentally unstable. Comparing yourself, in the process, to long lists of very talented musicians and claiming you're as good or better than all of them, makes it clear that you're a self-aggrandizing blowhard. Insulting other people (and in some cases _literally_ stealing their spotlight) in the process, makes you look like a dick.
 
I'm listening to Famous now. It's pretty weak. I went into it expecting more, but it's just another pop circle-jerk and doesn't really stretch any boundaries...Especially when Kanye is yapping.
 
One of the greatest artists of all time. Wildly misunderstood and childish at times, but as far as artistic talent, one of the best.
Just think how great Kayne West could be if he stopped for 10 seconds before he spoke. I agree with you but, his talents and message gets lost as soon as he speaks. His attitude followed by his comments really destroy his credibility. Interesting, turns off many who might actually give him and his music a chance. Seems to be a trend today, radically offensive speech now the new normal in more then just music.
 
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Just think how great Kayne West could be if he stopped for 10 seconds before he spoke. I agree with you but, his talents and message gets lost as soon as he speaks. His attitude followed by his comments really destroy his credibility. Interesting, turns off many who might actually give him and his music a chance. Seems to be a trend today, radically offensive speech now the new normal in more then just music.

Agreed.

People need to speak with the humility of, say, Trump.
 
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Just think how great Kayne West could be if he stopped for 10 seconds before he spoke. I agree with you but, his talents and message gets lost as soon as he speaks. His attitude followed by his comments really destroy his credibility. Interesting, turns off many who might actually give him and his music a chance. Seems to be a trend today, radically offensive speech now the new normal in more then just music.

He's a rockstar. The biggest of our generation. Rockstars don't filter themselves, rockstars aren't PC. Rockstars scream, stir up controversy, and most importantly, impact our generation more than anyone else.
 
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He's a rockstar. The biggest of our generation. Rockstars don't filter themselves, rockstars aren't PC. Rockstars scream, stir up controversy, and most importantly, impact our generation more than anyone else.

Okay, then, here are 50 rockstars that have been very influential over the years; many of whom have also been controversial. Please be good enough to point out which of these have put anywhere near as much energy into endless self-aggrandizement and insulting other musicians and fans, as Kanye West has. Since, as you say, rockstars stir up controversy, this ought to be easy.

Aerosmith, The Beatles, Beck, Chuck Berry, Black Flag, David Bowie, James Brown, Johnny Cash, Ray Charles, Eric Clapton, The Clash, Elvis Costello, Depeche Mode, Bo Diddley, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, Ice-T, Elton John, Janis Joplin, B.B. King, Kraftwerk, Lady Gaga, Led Zeppelin, Madonna, Marilyn Manson, Bob Marley, Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Ozzy Osbourne, Parliament, Phish, Pink Floyd, The Police, Elvis Presley, Prince, Queen, The Ramones, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Rolling Stones, Santana, The Sex Pistols, U2, Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Muddy Waters, The Who, Howlin' Wolf.

Or, look through the list at http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/ and pick a bunch from there.

Rockstars being controversial is not a new thing. But talent does not excuse crappy behavior.
 
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In most situations talent should be possible to acknowledge even if you dislike the work product of said talent. To continue your religion analogy, Christians can acknowledge that Hinduism is a religion even if they disavow all of its tenets. Talent doesn't mean "something I like" or even "something I respect", it's possession of a skill. And if you think his art requires zero skill (untrue but let's just take this to an extreme) then you need to acknowledge his talent for selling it to consumers; either way the man possesses talent.

The problem with FUD is that it's difficult to disprove. Can you prove the musical training of the members of the Beatles? You're making allegations regarding Kanye West without any real support either. This is bordering on tin-foil hat territory.

But you're correct that deep pockets make everything successful. Now please excuse me as I drive home in my Ford Edsel to watch the XFL on Microsoft WebTV while I drink a refreshing New Coke. (posted from my Apple Newton)

I didn't say he was unskilled. I don't know what all goes into his so called art. I know what goes into mine and it's a lot of thinking and practice. But I have no way to judge his talent. Talent implies a natural gift that one does not have to work for. I say what he has is more luck than a natural gift. Even selling records is based on luck, right place right time with the right material.
 
album is pretty good, first 8 or so songs are strong, if he put it on itunes or on a CD i'd be able to buy the damn thing.
 
I thought Kanye said his new album will never be on Apple Music.
Make NO mistake...
I'm most certainly not a fan of Kanye.

However I do acknowledge his mindful choice to avoid the criminal thug life, to not glorify demeaning women, and to seek out a career that isn't built of the degenerate values of the hip hop titans like Dr. Dre, and other career criminals that Apple and it's executives gush over.
 
Hey Kayne, go sell your crap at tidal. I thought you said you don't sell it anywhere else but tidal.
 
I didn't say he was unskilled. I don't know what all goes into his so called art. I know what goes into mine and it's a lot of thinking and practice. But I have no way to judge his talent. Talent implies a natural gift that one does not have to work for. I say what he has is more luck than a natural gift. Even selling records is based on luck, right place right time with the right material.

"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more of it I seem to have."
- Coleman Cox
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Aerosmith - loved that music video of theirs where they save the earth from the asteroid, 2 hours was just too long though.
The Beatles - We can't be sure they actually played their own music (see earlier posts)
Beck - I like him better as a head in a jar
Chuck Berry - my ding a ling
Black Flag - Henry's spoken word stuff outshines his time with Black Flag but he's still better than the other leads.
David Bowie - Could rival Kanye for working the image outside of his music
James Brown - hit me
Johnny Cash - could listen to him for hours
Ray Charles - he'd never see it coming
Eric Clapton - needs window locks
The Clash - Shareef don't like it
Elvis Costello - second best Elvis
Depeche Mode - KMFDM
Bo Diddley - Bo knows music
Snoop Dogg - too high to cause trouble
Dr. Dre - on a board that seems to want to bash Dre every chance they get you list him as an alternative to the hated Kanye?
Bob Dylan - wrecked folk with those new fangled electric instruments
The Grateful Dead - did all my drugs
Jimi Hendrix - best rendition of the national anthem ever
Ice-T - two faced poser who played himself up as the accessible gangster rapper to music execs while trying to appear "street" to the fans. I don't trust a word this guy says.
Elton John - bankrupted by his flower budget
Janis Joplin - driving a mercedes benz in heaven
B.B. King - great artist but I believe his hype exceeds his accomplishment
Kraftwerk - I must get back to Dance Central in stuttgart in order to see them
Lady Gaga - bigger media whore than Kanye
Led Zeppelin - they sound a lot like Page and Plant
Madonna - should have hung it up 15 years ago
Marilyn Manson - is really a nice guy and very intelligent
Bob Marley - was acquitted for the deputy's murder
Nine Inch Nails - yeah Trent, life sucks, just get your whole head in front of the shotgun
Nirvana - like this guy Trent
Ozzy Osbourne - Sharon!
Parliament - need a bigger stage, phenomenal shows, Bootsy Collins is in my short list of greatest bassists of all time.
Phish - will never be the grateful dead
Pink Floyd - Roger Waters is Kosher
The Police - who are those two guys standing behind Sting?
Elvis Presley - Costello 1.0
Prince - little, purple, different
Queen - taken too soon
The Ramones - Dee Dee raps better than Paul McCartney (who, coincidentally, the band is named after)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - never learned how to put on socks
The Rolling Stones - on their ninth farewell tour
Santana - the guitarist for Rob Thomas?
The Sex Pistols - ironically did hype very well by being anti-hype
U2 - how do I get this album off my phone
Van Halen - Q: who's the blonde woman who ruined Van Halen A: David Lee Roth
Stevie Ray Vaughan - don't get on the helicopter Stevie
Muddy Waters - big fan
The Who - what?
Howlin' Wolf - the who?

comments above.

kidding (mostly)
 
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Even if you want to try to derail the legitimacy of GQ and Rolling Stone, how about the Grammy's? Are you going to find a way to argue their lack of legitimacy as well? Go ahead and look at the rankings. There are only 9 other artists that have won more Grammy's than Kanye West. Sorry, but you look ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_records#Most_Grammys_won

So? Alvin and The Chipmunks and Milli Vannili also have won Grammy's that doesn't make either of them 'legitimate.'
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I thought Kanye said his new album will never be on Apple Music.
Actually he said 'NEVER NEVER NEVER' but guess he has to come up with his 53 million somehow...
[doublepost=1459235848][/doublepost]Instead of Tidal why didn't he make this a Pono store or Windows phone exclusive! Would probably reach a larger audience.
 
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comments above.

kidding (mostly)
Black Flag - If you ever have a chance to see Henry Rollins "talk" live, I urge you to go. He gets up and talks non-stop for hours about what he's been up to, and he is completely enthralling. So intense. Doesn't matter what he's talking about, it'll be interesting. One time he talked about taking a trip to the Middle East to just wander around and meet people to understand them better. At a time when it was especially bad to be a single American wandering around the area.
James Brown - too many years ago, a friend had a little hand-held sample-box, that was James Brown embellishments in your hand - "Hit Me!" was one of the four buttons it had. Man I miss that little thing.
The Grateful Dead - saw them a bunch live. Jerry's artistry was transcendent, his guitar work was like filigree work, like Leonardo doing all the little fiddly details on the Sistine Chapel's ceiling. From a distance, it averages out to sound just like the song everyone's playing, but up close, there was so much more detail, he was decorating everything fractal-like along the way.
Jimi Hendrix - Jimi's performance of "Red House" from Live at Winterland, is one of my favorite recordings ever (October 11, 1968, 1st show, 11m32s, and yes, it has to be this particular one). SO blues, much slow wailing.
Lady Gaga - Extremely media-savvy, agreed, but instead of just screaming "look at me", she makes herself worth lookng at and listening to. Tons of talent and following in Bowie's glam/fantasy footsteps.
Madonna - Yes, past her prime, but solid musical talent, and had an excellent ability to reinvent herself.
Nine Inch Nails - Best musician-related quote ever - Tori Amos: "Sometimes I think Trent really just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie."
Parliament - Beavis had it right, "Bootsy's COOL!" The judges would have also accepted Victor Wooten, Tony Levin, Phil Lesh, or Geddy Lee.
Santana - Was really phenomenal live, brought an umpteen-piece percussion section.

In other news, I think I might need to marry you.
 
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The cover looks like one of these joke concept art pieces done during review sessions to break executive monotony. After the laugh, someone said it would be distinctive and work following the retro feel far Tay-Ray did with her 1989 album.
 
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