You clearly havent looked at PC laptops lately. Theres plenty of PC laptops that are better spec and just as well made for far cheaper.
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You clearly havent looked at PC laptops lately. Theres plenty of PC laptops that are better spec and just as well made for far cheaper.
Although I am not asking for them to run cyberpunk 2077 in 4K, but for $2000 machines they should at least run 4 year old games in 1080p without blowing components our the air vents. Saying, "we were always bad at X, so we will continue to be bad at X" is false logic argument. Why not improve? Its not like they don't have the money or resources.
So your obvious defense when someone shows you a much cheaper i9 Windows laptop is that it isn't "better". If you mean better specs, you're likely to lose, but just to say "better", that's purely relative to what YOU think is better.
In any case, your statement merely shows your bias.
I was just checking the Dell G7 series with i9 6-core. $1599, and I can upgrade my own memory and SSD cheaply whenever I want and comes with "better" 1060 6GB graphics.
well, who's fault is it going all USB-C in the first place jumping ship so quick? Would it hurt to keep 2 USB-As on one side?
This is the equivalent of Ford going all electric on their cars because this is the future, and they don't care if the consumer can't find enough Electric Stations on the road.
Only if you can buy cheap adapters on Amazon to use gas stations.
Don't know where you get more options for the "Pro" line, cuz it's not. It's suffered from the iToy-ification of everything. Options = correct design philosophy. Apple (Computer's) design philosophy used to get it and was: Form + function.
Now it's... Form > function.
It's fine for the iToys, but not for the actual productive people.
1) They didn't want to pay the Blu-Ray licensing fees (even though they had plenty of money to do it).
2) They couldn't control Blu-Ray and didn't want to play by their terms.
3) They could control iTunes, so that's where they went.
4) If they could have controlled Blu-Ray and sold it via iTunes or whatever, then virtually every Mac would have a Blu-Ray drive now, and the Fanbois would be chiding how "behind the times" those dumb people are who only rent their media.
That was the Bondi iMac. The first iToy. NOBODY doing any serious work with computers took it seriously. Fine for their glorified toy line. But the real 'pro' (weren't called that then) machines kept the floppy for a while longer, AND added Zip drives as part of the transition away from floppies. <-- That's how you do it.
It's only dumb when you think making it .0001mm thinner is of paramount importance. Marketing sucker!
The BDXL format was defined in 2010. Let me know if you need any more help with your decades, champ!
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Exactly. Maybe USB-C is the future, maybe not. But right now USB-A is definitely still the present. Don't know about you all, but I work in the present.
The way you transition to "the future" is by adding a couple of USB-C ports IN ADDITION TO USB-A ports. Make it .003 mm thicker if you have to. *gasp* If USB-C is of benefit to me, I'll use it. But screw you, Apple, if you're gonna try to dictate what my future looks like.
Not only can I say inflation - I actually know what the rate of inflation was from 2015 to now and it certainly is less than the markup for the new laptops.
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Having to look down at the keyboard; it slows down your typing.
The Touch Bar is fine, as long as you are not a touch typist. For those of us that do touch type, it is a fundamental fail.
Cook happened. Cook is a finance guy, and he is doing exactly what he must - steer Apple towards profit.
It was Jobs who would also fight for such monstrosities called users while steering Apple towards profit. Jobs had a vision for the world and Apple's place in it. Cook has a vision only of how to make Apple profitable. It is the other guys at Apple, Phil, Eddie, Craig and Ive who might have some vision of the world and Apple's place in it.
Pretty bad really. If you were a video editor, you would have to drag a bunch of external drives around just to store your video files. Hardly convenient.
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But everyone else is doing it better, by putting type-c and older type-a ports on the same machine. Even my mother's plastic-fantastic 500$ Acer laptop has a type-c. You can utilize the advantages of type-c as more and more devices are released that support it, while still maintaining compatibility with the massive amounts of devices using type-a.
Should people be expected to throw away perfectly functioning devices just because they use type-a ports, or be forced to buy a bunch of dongles just to keep using them? No, because its been shown to be easy to have both types of ports.
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Thats a key part a lot of people overlook too. Aside from ultrabooks (where soldering components is more forgivable), PC laptops are still upgradable. Even the thin and light machines like the XPS line still let you swap the SSD and RAM with standard components. My lenovo lets me swap out the M.2 drive, 2.5" drive, and RAM. If/When I need more storage, I can cheaply and easily add more without having to buy a whole new computer.
Even before Apple started soldering the SSDs, they made their "blade" style SSDs incompatible with the M.2 standard so users couldn't easily upgrade. Pure anti-consumer move.
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No. That's what *you* were doing and I pointed out exactly how that was the case.
What ad hominem?
The truth hurts.
My life is already quite nice, no need to "try." But thanks.
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Exactly this. Apple is no longer run by a computer guy.
I'm curious how many people could touch type their function keys. I can touch type just fine when writing words. But I can't even touch type the row of numbers. I wouldn't have a clue what is on my function keys without looking.
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Dell G7 from a review that raved about it:
Of course, the G7 is far from perfect, as low prices invariably lead to compromises. While the touchpad is so-so, the keyboard is completely unacceptable, with mushy response and minimal key travel. The fan is loud and runs often, and the screen, while it offers a wide viewing angle, is very dim compared to the competition. I found stability to be fine on the whole, except for a nagging crash issue I encountered during video playback.
Also it has five hours of battery life.
I can say inflation and can describe what it means. Can you care to show your calculations that show inflation is the reason?
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Since no diehards seem to be answering, I'll bite. Greed/Shareholders/Courage
, Apple are charging what they can get away with even if this means their consumer base changes from those that used to buy it to the rich.All the fanbois that sprout that Apple care about the consumer are only partially true, they do care a lot about the consumer but overriding that is the money making machine that is Apple. Money is more important to Apple than the consumer.
Don't get me wrong, Apple do supply amazing tech that works within its bubble apart from various headscratchers along the way. Stray outside that bubble and that bubble bursts.
I can confirm that this just happened to me. I went in with the computer that I purchased on June 10, and the store manager extended the return time and allowed me to upgrade to the same priced, new model.. and threw in the Beats (because I used my wife's education discount).
Needless to say, I am beyond happy with the service Apple provided for me today. Regardless of everyone's feelings on this upgrade, Apple won me over today with the support.
The new keyboard feel is great. I have not been able to test everything yet as I am still installing all my dev. applications.
Apple FTW.
You're free to want what you want... Just live with the fact that Apple won't give it to you.
Either embrace the Apple way, or go buy something else. That's how it's always been.
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People always complain. Doesn't mean they're right.
Sometimes Apple instantly jumps on new CPUs or GPUs, sometimes before anyone else, and sometimes they don't. Just like it matches their release cycle. Always has been that way.
I remember the 15" MBP staying on Haswell for an entire 3 years and skipping Broadwell altogether. Now you're seriously complaining about CPUs that had barely been out 3 months?
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If you think the product is "half-baked" and you don't want to be a "lemming customer", it's simple, don't buy it.
I however do like my 2016 MBP very much, precisely because of the ports, the keyboard, the Touch Bar, not despite. And I don't feel like a "lemming" liking it. Whatever.
Its the trend. You don't have to look far at peoples concerns over the Mac and its hardware. Again not reading I am referring to the trend.
A few questions:
How fast is that SSD (actually)?
How fast is the WiFi (actually)?
What Bluetooth standard?
What color space does that display cover?
How many Thunderbolt 3 ports does that have?
How many external displays does this support, at what resolution and refresh rate?
How thick?
How heavy?
How ugly is it compared to a MBP?
How's construction/build quality compared to a MBP?
How's the trackpad?
How's the keyboard?
How's the speakers?
Fingerprint sensor?
Also macOS.
Oh well, and you're talking 22 % price difference there. I'll take the MBP over that any day...
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What trend? I don't see a trend. People complaining isn't a trend, you never had to look far for concerns.
The Mac's doing better than ever though.
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Can only speak for my own 2016 MBP, the power cable always slipped out easily, slightly more so on the ports closer to the display as those are more likely to be used for charging. All other cables or adapters sit tightly and continue to do so. I'm sure this is by design.
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This! Thank you.
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Your MBP was released in Late 2011. The first major macOS release to not support it, Mojave, will be out in Late 2018 so that's 7 years with current OS.
High Sierra will get security patches for another two years though, so that's 9 years of software support total.
(For 2010 models it's over 8 years with current OS and over 10 years total, for Late 2009 Macs even 9 years / 11 years. I'm willing to bet this will be similar for 2012 models.)
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Here you are: https://ark.intel.com/compare/134906,134899,134903
Basically 11-31 % higher clock, 33 % more cache. So exactly the things you can also read on the MBP's spec page.
What makes it more expensive, besides Intel's higher base price for the i9, is probably that Apple expects to order the i9 from Intel in much lower quantities than the i7 chips because it's only available as BTO option. Also, there's usually a premium in margin for higher configurations.
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No, that isn't how it's always been. Since Jobs' passing, Apple (used to be Computers) has changed design philosophies. It used to be "form + function" -- now it's "form > function". The former is what made Apple great; the latter what's made it a joke. The former was responsive to customers' needs and wants; the latter arrogantly dismisses them, and the fanbois gleefully chortle, "Live with it!!"
So when Apple's longtime dedicated user base goes away, and the fickle iToy crowd chases shiny products from other companies, no bellyaching that you didn't see this coming -- as if you'd care.
Oh stop. When Steve was alive there were just as many identical complaints about Apple emphasizing form over function.
The cube. The one button mouse. These complaints go WAY back.
I feel Apple missed an opportunity to release equitable non-touchbar 2018 models.
Give us identical specs* and pricing. Have one range with touch bar vs one with function keys and let the market decide.
*eg keep T2 chip and fingerprint reader in both, literally only difference would be real vs virtual Fn keys.
Give us identical specs* and pricing. Have one range with touch bar vs one with function keys and let the market decide.
*eg keep T2 chip and fingerprint reader in both, literally only difference would be real vs virtual Fn keys.
The Cube was an OPTION. They still made the Power Mac G4's then, which could easily be upgraded. You could get either (I got the latter). Now you can't because there's no pro OPTION.
The one button mouse was annoying (to some - I was ok with it), but easily remedied with a zillion others to choose from. Ultimately Apple listened and made the Magic Mouse, which I'm using now.
Now Apple has seen to it the options are gone. So no, the complaints then are not the same as now.
No, I don't need to always look down on the Touch Bar.
Volume+Brightness controls and Escape-Key my fingers find blindly (just like they did on the old function key row), plus some often-used app-specific controls; like for example the bold/italic/underline buttons right now as I'm typing in Safari. In fact, as a touch typist, for me these Touch Bar buttons are faster and way less distracting my writing flow than ⌘B, ⌘I, ⌘U do.
This. Exactly.
Only the volume keys I knew blindly, also playback controls,
but even brightness I had to look for; not anymore on the Touch Bar, though!
Oh cut it out. Option. When Apple refused to support Blu-ray was it optional? When they dumped FireWire? When they dropped optical disks? When they changed to the thin keyboards? Refused to support flash on iOS? Background felt textures in phoneOs? Refusal to make a midsized tower Mac?
Here’s a headline from 2008:
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Apple Chooses Form Over Function; Users and the Press Rebel