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KGI Expects New iPhones to Have 5MP Front Camera, Retain 16GB, 64GB and 128GB Capacities

peterdevries said:
This is not really surprising. Many business and entry level users don't need more than 16Gb and it keeps costs down. One thing that irks me though is that they do not include a 32Gb version. By now it should cost the same as a 16Gb chip 4 years ago, so they could (if they would be willing to take the profitability hit) make the base model 16Gb 50$ cheaper and the 32Gb model at the current entry price. But I guess Apple is not willing to do that. A pity.
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You hit the nail on the head-- the 16GB/$299 is the Corporate model (my company has a $299 limit on company provided phones, for example). But Apple is addressing your other concern by increasing the amount of storage in the $100 uptick model, which is the one aimed at consumers. There is no way Apple is making the entry level model of the flagship phone cheaper, as corporate limits change very slowly. Cutting the entry price is just leaving money on the table.
 
I use to be all about 16gb phones...hell even 8gb b.c of cloud storage. The way apple handles cloud storage and pushes that information to all of your devices makes 16gb dead to me.
 
haruhiko said:
Pure corporate greed.
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Good for them, they will be able to have nice profits and success.

Not sure what the problem is. No one will be lined up at gun point and forced to buy an iPhone. Let them charge what they want, the decision to buy still rests in the hands of the consumer.

Is it corporate greed when an art piece sells for $1,000,000? Isn't that a good thing for the artist that we all applaud? Why the different standard for Apple? Canvas and paint costs how much to produce? Clearly pure artist greed.
 
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morcutt11 said:
What's the cost difference between 16GB and 32GB? A buck or two? The RAM is where Apple really makes money on the iPhone - paying a couple of hundred of extra dollars to upgrade to 128GB for a few dollars worth of RAM is a big profit margin. Even in pushing the cloud services, camera resolution alone should mandate a base of 32 GB.
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RAM = Random Access Memory. That is NOT storage capacity. The iPhone currently has 1GB of RAM.

There's a difference between cheap storage (typically found in SD cards and flash drives) and what Apple uses for storage. The differences are in performance. You can't get high performance storage for a couple dollars. Generic SD cards/expandable storage are HORRID for high quality video, and can't usually record anything better than 720p, if you're lucky. Forget about 4K.

If you want an idea of GOOD performing storage, and the prices it commands, take a look at this SD card at Best Buy...

Granted, it's currently on sale dirt cheap for $58
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...-red/3827055.p?id=1218435170116&skuId=3827055

This 128GB card is $300. Suddenly, Apple's prices don't seem so bad after all.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...lack/6151334.p?id=1219658493969&skuId=6151334
 
phillipduran said:
Good for them, they will be able to have nice profits and success.

Not sure what the problem is. No one will be lined up at gun point and forced to buy an iPhone. Let them charge what they want, the decision to buy still rests in the hands of the consumer.

Is it corporate greed when an art piece sells for $1,000,000? Isn't that a good thing for the artist that we all applaud? Why the different standard for Apple? Canvas and paint costs how much to produce? Clearly pure artist greed.
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I gotta say, I have to agree. Having said that. Your painting won’t be obsolete in two years, it’ll actually be worth more. Also that artist won’t be making a million of the same painting.
 
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AppleFan78 said:
RAM = Random Access Memory. That is NOT storage capacity. The iPhone currently has 1GB of RAM.

There's a difference between cheap storage (typically found in SD cards and flash drives) and what Apple uses for storage. The differences are in performance. You can't get high performance storage for a couple dollars. Generic SD cards/expandable storage are HORRID for high quality video, and can't usually record anything better than 720p, if you're lucky. Forget about 4K.

If you want an idea of GOOD performing storage, and the prices it commands, take a look at this SD card at Best Buy...

Granted, it's currently on sale dirt cheap for $58
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...-red/3827055.p?id=1218435170116&skuId=3827055

This 128GB card is $300. Suddenly, Apple's prices don't seem so bad after all.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...lack/6151334.p?id=1219658493969&skuId=6151334
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I'd argue these prices are still retail prices and not even close to what Apple (a 600 billion dollar company) would negotiate for their prices with vendors. Sandisk is doing the same thing Apple is in the retail setting - increasing margin with higher end product. You sell less, but make more profit per sale
 
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I have gone for the middle storage tier...my wife goes for the cheapest model.

we have kids and take video and photos. her phone fills up rather fast. she has no local music and not a lot of apps either.
16gb sucks.

however, all that said, I still understand Apple keeping it for Corporate phones, and the easy entry and keeping profits.
and that said, 16gb won't go far with higher MP pictures and video/slo-mo. 2015...16gb is laughable.
 
bbeagle said:
iOS 9 takes up 4.6gb. There is still more than 70% of the space available. (And with new app thinning, it will save another 3gb)

My wife has had 16gb for the past 4 years - never run out of space. In fact, she has over 4gb still available. 16gb is 'too much' for her. :)

This is the type of memory SHE needs for her low intensive phone use with 10 apps and pictures. She has no need to pay more money for something she won't use. Apple understands these users.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, but I think they understand making profit off of their customers too.

While your wife, and some people I know are happy with 16gb, many, many more need a touch more space, but don't come close to needing 64GB. The sweet spot is 32gb, but they don't offer that, instead they provide a 64gb option for the same $100 that used to only give us 32GB.

That's awesome, however also kinda gives us the message that they could also afford to sell us a 32GB phone at the current 16gb price point.

I strongly feel that the current space / price model is based more on profit, than it is customer service.
 
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Appl3FTW said:
why are people complaining about the 16gb? if you don't want it get the 64gb... duh.
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Because people have nothing better to do than complain. The same ones complaining will be right there in line to buy the new phone when it's released. :rolleyes:
 
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iSee said:
Because it is so infuriating when a product exists that is not aimed exclusively at my own needs!!!
I don't want a 16GB iPhone, therefore it should not exist! What does Apple not get about this?!?

:rolleyes:
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Why does Apple offer 32GB on the touch but not the iPhone?
 
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bbeagle said:
iOS 9 takes up 4.6gb. There is still more than 70% of the space available. (And with new app thinning, it will save another 3gb)

My wife has had 16gb for the past 4 years - never run out of space. In fact, she has over 4gb still available. 16gb is 'too much' for her. :)

This is the type of memory SHE needs for her low intensive phone use with 10 apps and pictures. She has no need to pay more money for something she won't use. Apple understands these users.
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iOS 9 uses 1.3GB over 4.58GB on iOS 8 per apple.

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios9-preview/
 
69Mustang said:
Why would she have to pay more? I think most are advocating Apple start with 32GB and eliminate the 16GB. 32,64,128.
There's no need for that to cost more. I doubt your wife needs 16GB. More like 16GB is adequate for her use case. 32GB would serve that exact same use case. It would also allow her to expand her use case if she chose to do so.
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This.
We just ask for 32GB at the same price, 16GB has been the base model for really too long.

I quote from a macrumor article

Apple does earn slightly higher margins on higher-capacity iPhone 6 models, as the 128 GB of storage is estimated to cost $47 more than the base 16 GB storage while the device retails for $200 more.
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They are only saving a few buck keeping 16GB, but they force many users to buy the 64 model and gain almost $100 more.
It is a smart move, I'd be happy if I were a stockholder but as a user I simply have to pay $100 more
 
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People defending the 16GB are not thinking straight. The problem is not that the 16GB phone exists, the problem is that Apple's asking too much money for it. They're asking an incredible amount of money for a phone with a storage capacity exactly the same as 6 years ago. They have even increased the price of the iPhone by about €150 since then.

I guess these people don't really have a sense of the actual price of an iPhone and only see contract prices.
 
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The 16gb targets corporate clients. My company gives an iPhone to all managers and up and there are many rules you have to follow regarding what you can and cannot do with the phone. If you follow the rules, 16gb is more than enough. Thus, it would be just a waste to have more capacity.
 
Liquinn said:
Why does Apple offer 32GB on the touch but not the iPhone?
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Because they’ve done the numbers and they know this is the best way to make coin.

It’s like a formula 1 race to them. There are a number of different strategies. 2 stops and a slower car but less time in the pits against 3 stops a faster car an more time in the pits.

So we have;
They know 32GB is popular but they’ve worked out that options of 16GB and 32GB mean that x lots of 16GB customers +x lots of 64GB customers is more moolah than x lots of 32GB customers.
 
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AppleFan78 said:
RAM = Random Access Memory. That is NOT storage capacity. The iPhone currently has 1GB of RAM.

There's a difference between cheap storage (typically found in SD cards and flash drives) and what Apple uses for storage. The differences are in performance. You can't get high performance storage for a couple dollars. Generic SD cards/expandable storage are HORRID for high quality video, and can't usually record anything better than 720p, if you're lucky. Forget about 4K.

If you want an idea of GOOD performing storage, and the prices it commands, take a look at this SD card at Best Buy...

Granted, it's currently on sale dirt cheap for $58
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...-red/3827055.p?id=1218435170116&skuId=3827055

This 128GB card is $300. Suddenly, Apple's prices don't seem so bad after all.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...lack/6151334.p?id=1219658493969&skuId=6151334
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Good try, but we are talking about 16GB -> 32GB. Plus, are we ignoring the fact that Apple pays bulk prices or that Apple has a gross profit margin 40%, where the iPhone makes up 60%+ of their total revenue? With profit margins that high, I doubt it giving the consumer an extra 16GB of storage on a $650 phone with 30%+ margins is going to send Apple into the red.

This discussion is pointless, since people are going to defend Apple no matter what.
 
Only 128 GB for the high-end. Apple needs to do more than that. At least the 16 GB complainers can pay more and upgrade. People that want more than 128 GB have no option.
 
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