KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors

[MisterMillz]

I’m still not that impressed. “Almost edge-less” screen, up-in-the-air FaceID, and talking/moving emojis...this is the future? Is this tech not out there, granted in pieces (different phones) already? And no, I’m not an android guy. I just personally feel less impressed by the things Apple releases—as I type this out on my 8+.

 

[jntdroid]

I’m still not that impressed. “Almost edge-less” screen, up-in-the-air FaceID, and talking/moving emojis...this is the future? Is this tech not out there, granted in pieces (different phones) already? And no, I’m not an android guy. I just personally feel less impressed by the things Apple releases—as I type this out on my 8+.

Exactly. I went 8+ as well b/c I have no desire for technology that's going to make my phone less convenient to use.

 

[MisterMillz]

Not surprising. Same with Touch ID, it still works better than other fingerprint sensors.

Debatable at best. The fingerprint sensor on the pixel is on par with Touch ID 1/2 from my experiences.

 

[deanthedev]

Just like Apple is years ahead with their processor designs. It’ll be 2 years before they catch the A11.

 

[cmwade77]

I never understood why Android fanboys were saying Apple copied this. Their recognition is inferior. I have hope for this. I'll miss TouchID for opening it without looking directly at it, but I'd rather not lose all the space at the bottom that is now screen.

Because, inferior or not (only time will tell, but I suspect this won't work anywhere near as well as Apple claims), it is a copy of the feature. Yes, Apple may have made a twist on it, but they didn't innovate here, all they are doing is putting known technology that is used by various governments and other entities into a phone. Literally, NOTHING is new here, this tech has been around for a while now and used by law enforcement, immigration officials, etc.

 

[iBug2]

IMHO most won't even bother 'copying' FaceID. Samsung has a sure thing with its Iris scanning, most other Android manufacturers will likely go with developing TouchID that is embedded in the screen. FaceID is also very likely a stopgap for Apple until they figure out screen-embedded Touch ID as the others are.

Eventually we should have both. Touch ID can't be used under a lot of circumstances.

 

[840quadra]

The Note 8 can scan the iris of it's users and use that for recognition...

What exactly does Samsung need to take from Face ID? Maybe Kuo is talking about exact copies of Face ID (facial scanning using IR) but iris scanning is a real thing that works great on the Note 8

It is reported that FaceID will work without a direct glance, even if you just happen to walk up to the table your phone is sitting on. Granted not as secure, but it is a configurable setting according to what Apple has released.

When held up, it also works through many forms of eye ware, so long as it is not opaque to the camera sensors.

 

[cmwade77]

Usability of Iris scanner is inferior to Face ID.

Not really, it is very quick and very accurate once setup and actually far more secure than ANY Facial recognition, including Face ID.
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It is reported that FaceID will work without a direct glance, even if you just happen to walk up to the table your phone is sitting on. Granted not as secure, but it is a configurable setting according to what Apple has released.

And I can unlock the Note 8 the same way or with a fingerprint, in other words, I get my choice and I choose how secure or insecure I am willing to be.

 

[MadeMyDay]

It opens the opportunity for on-device Eye-Tracking Heatmaps.

 

[Nozuka]

Not really, it is very quick and very accurate once setup and actually far more secure than ANY Facial recognition, including Face ID.

doesn't sound very secure to me..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmor...er-hacked-in-three-simple-steps/#60e45d59ccba

 

[cmwade77]

Ultimately the iPhone X is simply a cheap (with a high price tag) knock off of the Note 8. Will the iPhone be decent? Yes, but it is missing many of the features in the Note 8 and ultimately doesn't bring anything of its own to the table.

 

[Soccertess]

Kudos for Apple still having a leg up on something! Now if only could pull it's weight on it's iOS and siri.

 

[centauratlas]

Now they just need to add an infrared camera to the iPhone.

 

[symphara]

It will take Apple's Android competitors up to two and a half years to replicate the functionality and user experience of the TrueDepth Camera in the iPhone X, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told investors in a note shared this morning.

In a previous report, Kuo predicted it would take one to two years for competitors to catch up, but having watched Apple's official technical demonstrations in detail, it's now believed it will take longer to replicate the user experience.

The TrueDepth camera will give Apple a solid technological lead throughout 2018 and 2019, leading Kuo to say KGI has "full confidence" in the iPhone's growth prospects in the high-end smartphone market over the next couple of years despite iPhone X constraints in 2017.

KGI Securities has revised its 2017 iPhone X shipping estimates from 40 million to 30 to 35 million units, but Kuo says the firm stands by its "positive outlook" on shipments of future iPhones equipped with the TrueDepth Camera.

Apple's TrueDepth camera system enables its Face ID facial recognition system and other features like advanced face tracking and analysis for Animoji. Rumors suggest the difficulty of manufacturing the TrueDepth camera is what has led to significant iPhone X production issues, severely limiting initial available supply.

Apple's competitors like Samsung and Google will also need to overcome these development and manufacturing hurdles to create a product that's similar to the TrueDepth Camera. Samsung has already released a device with facial recognition capabilities, but it is inferior to Apple's solution as it is limited to 2D tracking making it less secure and easy to fool.

Ming-Chi Kuo previously said that should Apple's TrueDepth camera prove to be popular with consumers, all of the company's future iPhones are likely to adopt the feature.

Article Link: KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors

Sheer nonsense. FaceID is a step back, just like the removal of the headphone jack. Slower and less convenient compared to the fingerprint scanner. Android will probably move to in-screen fingerprint sensors once they're available. Under no circumstance do I see Android manufacturers copying this largely useless technology unless it gets so cheap that animated poo emojis will make it worth it.

 

[recklesslife85]

It will take Apple's Android competitors up to two and a half years to replicate the functionality and user experience of the TrueDepth Camera in the iPhone X, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told investors in a note shared this morning.

In a previous report, Kuo predicted it would take one to two years for competitors to catch up, but having watched Apple's official technical demonstrations in detail, it's now believed it will take longer to replicate the user experience.

The TrueDepth camera will give Apple a solid technological lead throughout 2018 and 2019, leading Kuo to say KGI has "full confidence" in the iPhone's growth prospects in the high-end smartphone market over the next couple of years despite iPhone X constraints in 2017.

KGI Securities has revised its 2017 iPhone X shipping estimates from 40 million to 30 to 35 million units, but Kuo says the firm stands by its "positive outlook" on shipments of future iPhones equipped with the TrueDepth Camera.

Apple's TrueDepth camera system enables its Face ID facial recognition system and other features like advanced face tracking and analysis for Animoji. Rumors suggest the difficulty of manufacturing the TrueDepth camera is what has led to significant iPhone X production issues, severely limiting initial available supply.

Apple's competitors like Samsung and Google will also need to overcome these development and manufacturing hurdles to create a product that's similar to the TrueDepth Camera. Samsung has already released a device with facial recognition capabilities, but it is inferior to Apple's solution as it is limited to 2D tracking making it less secure and easy to fool.

Ming-Chi Kuo previously said that should Apple's TrueDepth camera prove to be popular with consumers, all of the company's future iPhones are likely to adopt the feature.

Article Link: KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors

Eye scanner works great, never failed me. But I guess if apple made it then it would be Revolutionary... And Google and others are years behind. iOS is apples biggest problem now, it's sloppy, rushed and not well thought-out.

 

[Wags]

I am wondering if Mr Kuo isn't paid by Apple..

We need more hype ?
If he said something to criticize Apple we would never hear his name again

 

[skitidetdu]

Now they just need to add an infrared camera to the iPhone.

Or x-ray camera

 

[cmwade77]

doesn't sound very secure to me..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmor...er-hacked-in-three-simple-steps/#60e45d59ccba

Still more secure than what Face ID will be. After all, number one how many people have an Infrared camera? Then are willing to print out at the exact size needed and then use contact lenses. I can think of several ways that it could potentially be fooled using far less effort based on what we know today. I won't go into details as I don't want to give anyone ideas, but if I can come up with them, anyone can.

 

[deanthedev]

Not really, it is very quick and very accurate once setup and actually far more secure than ANY Facial recognition, including Face ID.
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And I can unlock the Note 8 the same way or with a fingerprint, in other words, I get my choice and I choose how secure or insecure I am willing to be.

Is that why a picture with a generic contact lens can fool Samsung iris unlock?

Have you used FaceID to be able to say it’s not as secure?

 

[recklesslife85]

Usability of Iris scanner is inferior to Face ID.

You have obviously never used it. Work amazingly well.

 

[JustaTecho]

IMHO most won't even bother 'copying' FaceID. Samsung has a sure thing with its Iris scanning, most other Android manufacturers will likely go with developing TouchID that is embedded in the screen. FaceID is also very likely a stopgap for Apple until they figure out screen-embedded Touch ID as the others are.

Sure Thing with it's Iris Scanning?
http://mashable.com/2017/05/23/samsung-galaxy-s8-iris-scanner-hacked/#jWjyHvf.umqd
Seems it was hacked by several groups already...

Now it will be interesting to see if the same technology can be applied to apples tech FaceID...

 

[Exile714]

Because, inferior or not (only time will tell, but I suspect this won't work anywhere near as well as Apple claims), it is a copy of the feature. Yes, Apple may have made a twist on it, but they didn't innovate here, all they are doing is putting known technology that is used by various governments and other entities into a phone. Literally, NOTHING is new here, this tech has been around for a while now and used by law enforcement, immigration officials, etc.

People keep using the word “innovate” without understanding its meaning.

Innovate: make changes in *something established,* especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.

I get why people do this. They want to attack Apple and it’s a common refrain. But seriously, who cares whether Apple is inventing new things? What matters to 99% of people is the product, not “who made it first.” And even if they did, they would be more concerned with “who made it RIGHT first,” not “who rushed out a bad implementation first.”

 

[harshkarla]

The Note 8 can scan the iris of it's users and use that for recognition...

What exactly does Samsung need to take from Face ID? Maybe Kuo is talking about exact copies of Face ID (facial scanning using IR) but iris scanning is a real thing that works great on the Note 8

Iris Scanning is cumbersome and it can be unlocked using high res image(which need to be processed into 3D space) unlike FaceID which has been trained against 3D renders of your face and can be unlocked from a wider angle.

 

[citysnaps]

true, if Apple was able to implement the sensor under the screen, FaceID doesn't exist. They'll scrap FaceID once they get it working.

Will never happen. Apples future is AR, and is investing heavily. The front facing 3D camera is the first step in realizing AR's true potential. Next up will be a rear 3D camera which will open tons of AR possibilities going forward.

Look at FaceID as a technology demonstrator, that's actually useful today for robust unlocking. It isn't going away.

 

[Rocko99991]

Apple is setting the stage for the next decade of what people expect from smartphones.

Much like the original iPhone launch, it took android years to catch up and make truly competitive products.

Same with Touch ID.

No surprise it is happening again.

Are you serious? Samsung has had the OLED screen for years. Wireless charging, also been out for some time. Apple has 'caught up' to these finally and everyone is losing their mind like it's some innovation-it's not.