Apple is not working on embedded TouchID. The skipped it and created a new standard, FaceID. If they say FaceID is 100x more secure, then why would they waste the engineering?
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Apple is not working on embedded TouchID. The skipped it and created a new standard, FaceID. If they say FaceID is 100x more secure, then why would they waste the engineering?
The screen embedded finger print reader exists already; some Chhinese manufacturers have already implemented it and the latest Qualcomm chips cater for it.
I don't know how someone can say Android are 2.5 years behind when I bet Apple have been only at it for a matter of months to be honest; this was obviously plan B when the underscreen approach was going to be difficult to implement on "Apple scales"
No doubt in my mind, once someone cracks high yields and high volumes with underscreen approacvh, FaceID will disappear.
swingerofbirch
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Too bad Apple is 2.5 years behind everywhere else.
my parents actually have a camera like the one mentioned in the article. it's not that hard to get, if you really want to. they'd be lucky if they got 10$ for it on ebay though.
and i doubt any of your ideas are better than what apple has tested. but i'm sure you have seen the keynote.
and i'm not sure what you are basing this "still more secure than FaceID" on, since you didn't provide any facts.
You’re assuming that arriving first is synonym of innovation. Maybe I should start using geocities again, is that still a thing?
swingerofbirch
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Same tech as was in the Kinect but smaller. Microsoft started making their own Kinect tech in-house before Apple came out with this, so doesn't seem likely.
It seems innovation just means being the first to bring something to the market, no matter how half assed it might be. To me that’s just rushing to be first, unless you make it user friendly it doesn’t really matter. The first fingerprint scanner on a smartphone was on what, the Motorola atrix or w/e it was called? It was absolute garbage. It wasn’t until TouchID that everyone else started making better fingerprint scanners.
Respect. It will probably take Apple about the same time to bring the iPhone X prices to the level of comparable Android phones.
It's already comparable to the Note Series.
Is there a full review of FaceID by a security analyst? IIRC the review units (if they exist) are all still under embargo. I also thought the S8 has been hacked already, and by multiple groups?
Sure, it’s only a matter of time before the X is, but saying it is far less secure than Samsung’s tool is a bit early, especially considering the X hasn’t been tested yet.
You also have choices on the X, though it is more limited. You have 2 options of how FaceID will work, and, you can also completely disable it, always requiring a passcode.
One thing it can do (still to be proven by reviews), is allow a user to walk up to the device, issue a voice command, have it unlock, and execute all without touching the device, or, holding it up to your face.
Face ID also works in complete darkness, again reportedly. While the Samsung system can too, the screen needs to first turn on, and still requires exact placement of your eyes in front of the device.
I personally like the Samsung technology having used it, but I am also open to giving FaceID a chance before passing judgement
You would have to have an extremely high quality photo of someone's iris in order to scan it, so you'd pretty much have to stick a high quality camera right against someone's eye to capture a picture good enough to fool it, if that happens to you chances are your phone will be the least of your worries. It is not like the face scanning where even a low quality photo can bypass it.
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No it cannot; just because someone "tricks" a phone in Bestbuy with a photo doesn't make it true [because the the system is switched off to prevent malicious locking]. Have you ever tried touchID in an Apple store, guess what I trick it every time with my finger - I can open every phone and every Ipad - is it because touch ID is half-baked or is it because they switch it off in store for the same reason.
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and even then someone can say that it has been in laptops way before that.
(but these were also bad - well most of them still are)
It should be reassuring to people on here who frequently worry Apple has lost its way.
You don't develop this kind of amazing, ground-breaking technology as a stop-gap. You apparently haven't been paying attention to anything Apple has been doing for the last 20 years or more.
I use Touch ID to login to my bank app. Will Face ID provide the same access from Day 1?
No one tricked the iris scanner in a Bestbuy, it was the face recognition which is widely known to not be that secure. The iris scanner is more secure than the finger print scanner but IMO less convenient due to placement issues
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64Bit ARM was not an Apple invention. It was part of the ARM specification. Qualcomm and Samsung chose not to add the 64Bit baggage until necessary. Touch ID? Apple didn't invent fingerprint sensors. They may have been to integrate at the OS level. FaceID is part of the technology they acquired from the company that did Kinect for Xbox. But once again, they did not invent this technology and others are working on it also.
yes. developers don't even need to change the app.
I think they'll very seriously consider it just based on their historical propensity for mirroring the same feature set.
Very cool, thanks for the link. I was involved with a startup in the "photo marketing" space, basically trying to determine what type of image content was likelier to drive deeper engagement (and end in a transaction). That takes it to totally different discrete level of analytic potential!
Yes, any app that works with Touch ID will automatically work with Face ID with no developer action needed
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