Again that is the facial recognition NOT the iris scanner which is what was originally being discussed
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Again that is the facial recognition NOT the iris scanner which is what was originally being discussed
The implementation is different but the idea is the same, using your face to unlock.
If using a different implementation means it isn't the same, Apple shouldn't have been allowed to sued Samsung for scroll to bounce, universal search, etc cause one is in Java and one is in Object C.
Can't have it both ways.
Cool, except Apple is using facial recognition and not iris scanning. One requires you to hold the phone right up to your eyes, the other is more forgiving with positioning.
Great post. I have been fighting this very same argument on the forums for weeks now. Some memebers actually think Apple abandoned Touch ID under the screen just weeks before the iPhone X announcement lol
Touch ID is gone.
Not sure why he thinks this.
Windows 10 has Windows Hello since it first shipped. You can by a Windows Hello compatible laptops or webcams that have infrared emitters and sensors to prevent spoofing by photographs, etc. Windows Hello has been tested to show that it has an error of 1:10,000 on identical twins. Windows Hello uses Intel's RealSense technology.
So this is well understood technology. He needs to spend some time with AI and Machine Learning people that do not work for Apple.
Windows 10 has Windows Hello since it first shipped. You can by a Windows Hello compatible laptops or webcams that have infrared emitters and sensors to prevent spoofing by photographs, etc. Windows Hello has been tested to show that it has an error of 1:10,000 on identical twins. Windows Hello uses Intel's RealSense technology.
So this is well understood technology. He needs to spend some time with AI and Machine Learning people that do not work for Apple.
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Fair enough - me bad.
We will see how Apple shapes up, but in fairness, Samsung do not promote iris scanning for security, they claim it is for convenience - they still have the finger print scanner also.
Time will tell, if Apple offer up something that is equally secure and convenient on the X as touchID.
Actually my bad, that’s not iris scanning. Iris scanning is basically foolproof, albeit a bit inconvenient.
I'm not saying Samsung's iris scanner is better by any means, I'm just pointing out that it is not insecure. Obviously if it works well Face ID will be far superior
Did they?....that is why these Forums, and every other on the planet was full of folks claiming the mighty success of Apple achieveing underscreen TouchID as little as 3 months ago and these so "experts" who commentate on this stuff were saying the same thing....if Apple cracked FaceID or it was working as well as they hoped "so long ago" why is TouchID still being fitted to every new product that Apple has launched in the last 12 months [one could say if it was couragous to remove the headphone jack because the world is moving to wireless, why again it it still be supplied on every single new product since it was removed from the iphone 14 months ago?]
Serendipity me thinks
the can barely get enough sensors for the X... just because the tech is working, doesn't mean its ready to be produced in the masses right away. see also:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/27/iphone-x-production-issues-romeo-juliet-imbalance/
This has made my think, how do you access things like triple home button accessibility actions? I use this to activate the extra dark screen brightness so the screen is very dark at night. Which would stop you being blinded.
Whenever I see animated emojis brought up I immediately feel bad for those that have little imagination as to what Apple's AR technology will bring.
Why? Because it doesn’t mesh with your anti-Apple ideology?
I’m guessing you’ve never heard of auto-brightness and night shift or have them turned off?
This is outstanding good news for you. Meanwhile, the rest of the world that doesn't want to spend such ridiculous amounts of money on a phone (or get trapped in a 24 months contract) just buys something cheaper. And since cheaper isn't available from Apple, you go Android.
As for all those features that are being listed as killer features here that will give Apple a serious advantage over the competition: Seriously? I don't need or even WANT any of these things, especially not biometric crap like TouchID or facial recognition -- preferably "safely" stored in an NSA-controlled, American cloud.
Those were on Planet Ubuntu this week, and they perfectly fit into this topic:
(That one I actually used as a desktop background on a video surveillance server at my last job. Good to see that others like Banksy, too...)
It's hard to justify "lead" if it ends up not being something useful or even worse, problematic. With 3D Touch it really hasn't turned into a must have feature and Android largely ignored this. Are you really "leading" if nobody cares about adopting the feature.
Also I have had facial unlock on a laptop, tablet and phone for years and I rarely have used the feature. While I am sure Apple waited this long to create an exceptional solution its not like its the absolute must have feature I've been waiting for on all my devices,.
Also I like touch id because I can unlock the phone while taking it out of my pocket in one fluid motion and don't have to hold it up in front of my face to unlock before making a payment or just to use it. Regardless of how much better Apple's solution is, it will not unlock coming out of your pocket so its already a slower "less than" solution. I don't see the Android community rushing to implement a less than solution they have already used in the past with limited consumer appeal. Face ID seems like a step back. Look, while initial facial unlock on most Android phones may have been problematic, if it was a feature people wanted then Google, Samsung and the rest would have work hard to make it a great solution, instead most consumers are not actually caring or want facial unlock.
As for the Kinect like functionality of this feature not sure how many other benefits truedepth will offer other then animating poo emojis that nobody uses anyways. It's hard for developers to embrace that feature when MOST iPhones used today don't include this feature.
Lets wait to see if Apple can actually produce these X phones without problems and if people feel like this is a natural evolution of phones before calling it a market leader. So far all it seems to have done is cannibalize iPhone 8 sales and force consumers to wait for the "real" iPhone release that is being delayed specifically because of this technology.
Personally this feels like a 3D touch bar squeezy magic ball scrolling mouse kind of Apple innovation where they are quick to slap themselves on the back for solving nothing while the rest of the competition shrugs their shoulders and ignores.
Also I have had facial unlock on a laptop, tablet and phone for years and I rarely have used the feature. While I am sure Apple waited this long to create an exceptional solution its not like its the absolute must have feature I've been waiting for on all my devices,.
Also I like touch id because I can unlock the phone while taking it out of my pocket in one fluid motion and don't have to hold it up in front of my face to unlock before making a payment or just to use it. Regardless of how much better Apple's solution is, it will not unlock coming out of your pocket so its already a slower "less than" solution. I don't see the Android community rushing to implement a less than solution they have already used in the past with limited consumer appeal. Face ID seems like a step back. Look, while initial facial unlock on most Android phones may have been problematic, if it was a feature people wanted then Google, Samsung and the rest would have work hard to make it a great solution, instead most consumers are not actually caring or want facial unlock.
As for the Kinect like functionality of this feature not sure how many other benefits truedepth will offer other then animating poo emojis that nobody uses anyways. It's hard for developers to embrace that feature when MOST iPhones used today don't include this feature.
Lets wait to see if Apple can actually produce these X phones without problems and if people feel like this is a natural evolution of phones before calling it a market leader. So far all it seems to have done is cannibalize iPhone 8 sales and force consumers to wait for the "real" iPhone release that is being delayed specifically because of this technology.
Personally this feels like a 3D touch bar squeezy magic ball scrolling mouse kind of Apple innovation where they are quick to slap themselves on the back for solving nothing while the rest of the competition shrugs their shoulders and ignores.
I agree with many of your comments but at the end of the day, this is the only way to eliminate the home button and Touch ID to make maximum use of screen real estate.
Adding a “soft” home button like Google and under the glass Touch ID defeats the purpose of a bezel-less display IMO... they might as well keep the existing design then.
There’s also the benefit of improved security and hopefully success rate.