KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors

[Pilgrim1099]

Are people really upgrading their phones based on "better cameras"?

They're falling for the Face ID, 'better cameras' and high storage insanity. Especially the animoji crap. I'm not fooled by this $1,000 price tag. iPhone X is NOT worth $1,000 just for Face ID alone. It's exclusivity has been destroyed by the fact that iOS 11 is all across current compatible devices and with AR as well. Why blow off $1,000 on iPhone X when people can get AR on a 6 or 7 iphone, even SE? People don't realize that if Face ID becomes standardized, it'll come to the cheaper phones.

And then the $1,000 price tag will be meaningless. Apple shot itself in the foot for doing that but people are NOT seeing it.

 

[mi7chy]

So advanced that it failed on stage! Sounds like the same false claims as Apple Maps.

Reality is this is surplus 2010 Microsoft Kinect technology that was acquired by Apple through PrimeSense purchase. Microsoft went on to build better versions in-house.

In terms of security, Face ID is much weaker with a false positive rate of about 1 in 1 million while both-eye retina scan is 1 in 1.4 trillion (higher is better).

 

[Pilgrim1099]

Backs up my theory that there will be a modest update to this years iPhone 8 in 2018 and it'll be called iPhone 9. The next iPhone X or XS will be in 2019

There won't be an iphone 9. They can't go backwards with the numbering. It'll have to be an 11 and then on. If they do that, they'll look like jacka$$es for doing so.

 

[apolloa]

I’ll wait till I actually use it before passing judgement, Apple doesn’t have the best track record with first gen products...

 

[9081094]

Backs up my theory that there will be a modest update to this years iPhone 8 in 2018 and it'll be called iPhone 9. The next iPhone X or XS will be in 2019

I think the iPhone X will be released in 2019. Wait for the iPhone xs for 2021, only $ 1999 and 3999,- in the rest of the world. Same form factor though

 

[dallas112678]

Hmmmm, this sounds like the analysts who said Apple was years ahead with portrait mode, only for Samsung to one up them in allowing the blur to be altered by the user before and after the photo is taken less than a year later...

 

[sinsin07]

Apple has invented the smartphone, that is for sure.

What's for sure is you are far from sure.

"People didn't start using the term "smartphone" until 1995, but the first true smartphone actually made its debut three years earlier in 1992. It was called the Simon Personal Communicator, and it was created by IBM more than 15 years before Apple released the iPhone."

The world's first smartphone, Simon, was created 15 years before the iPhone

Popular smartphones before iPhone:
Four popular smartphones before iPhone

 

[9081094]

I’ll wait till I actually use it before passing judgement, Apple doesn’t have the best track record with first gen products...

I can’t call the Apple TV attempt 4 not that a great example either. Neither their latest MacBooks with touchbar. Most latest Apple attempts are a bit humm hooo.... but maybe it’s just me

 

[Eorlas]

and those fandroids said apple copied facial(photo) recognition from android 4.0 ??

They're just not well-educated in technology. They hear "Android does facial recognition, Apple doesn't!" then they look at the price, then laugh at their Apple friend and say "haha, mine is cheaper Mr. Sheeple."

They share buzzmemes on fb that list part comparisons between the X and the S7 saying "Welcome to 2015" while listing IP68 for the S7 as "waterproof." Yet none of them ask why a "waterproof" phone does not have water damage covered by its warranty. They also don't go far enough to learn that has nothing to do with being waterproof.

They think that having 6gb of RAM in the Note 8 makes it amazing compared to 3gb in a Plus or X, despite not wondering why then do their devices never run twice as fast in real-world applications. Why it takes more than twice as long to encode video.

A lot of people say "Apple phones are stupidly simple for everyone to use." Whereas I think an Android phone is for anyone who doesn't care enough about what is actually in their device.

Apple is not perfect, but there is a distinct difference in quality.

 

[9081094]

Hmmmm, this sounds like the analysts who said Apple was years ahead with portrait mode, only for Samsung to one up them in allowing the blur to be altered by the user before and after the photo is taken less than a year later...

To be honest... Huawei had this first. Also the dual cameras. You can change focus after the photo is taken.

 

[Eorlas]

I can’t call the Apple TV attempt 4 not that a great example either. Neither their latest MacBooks with touchbar. Most latest Apple attempts are a bit humm hooo.... but maybe it’s just me

The 4 or the 4k?

My first jump was in setting up the business I work for with a local server to stream content over the network to an Apple TV 4, and I liked this so much I got a 4K for use at home.

Really could not be happier.

 

[Jimmy James]

They're falling for the Face ID, 'better cameras' and high storage insanity. Especially the animoji crap. I'm not fooled by this $1,000 price tag. iPhone X is NOT worth $1,000 just for Face ID alone. It's exclusivity has been destroyed by the fact that iOS 11 is all across current compatible devices and with AR as well. Why blow off $1,000 on iPhone X when people can get AR on a 6 or 7 iphone, even SE? People don't realize that if Face ID becomes standardized, it'll come to the cheaper phones.

And then the $1,000 price tag will be meaningless. Apple shot itself in the foot for doing that but people are NOT seeing it.

You're saying that Apple shot itself in the foot while simultaneously saying people are falling for it. Non sequitur.

An alternate explanation might be that Apple has turned the feature into a cash cow before making it intentionally ubiquitous.

 

[9081094]

They're just not well-educated in technology. They hear "Android does facial recognition, Apple doesn't!" then they look at the price, then laugh at their Apple friend and say "haha, mine is cheaper Mr. Sheeple."

They share buzzmemes on fb that list part comparisons between the X and the S7 saying "Welcome to 2015" while listing IP68 for the S7 as "waterproof." Yet none of them ask why a "waterproof" phone does not have water damage covered by its warranty. They also don't go far enough to learn that has nothing to do with being waterproof.

They think that having 6gb of RAM in the Note 8 makes it amazing compared to 3gb in a Plus or X, despite not wondering why then do their devices never run twice as fast in real-world applications. Why it takes more than twice as long to encode video.

A lot of people say "Apple phones are stupidly simple for everyone to use." Whereas I think an Android phone is for anyone who doesn't care enough about what is actually in their device.

Apple is not perfect, but there is a distinct difference in quality.

You should have a look on my first comment in this thread and see that the iPhone 8 plus and probably the iPhone X is already slower in real world test compared to the Galaxy note 8. I’ve posted the test In my first post.

 

[Eorlas]

You should have a look on my first comment in this thread and see that the iPhone 8 plus and probably the iPhone X is already slower in real world test compared to the Galaxy note 8. I’ve posted the test In my first post.

Fam there's currently 214 comments in this thread and yours is not in the first 2 pages. You're gonna have to share that link.

 

[sinsin07]

They're falling for the Face ID, 'better cameras' and high storage insanity. Especially the animoji crap. I'm not fooled by this $1,000 price tag. iPhone X is NOT worth $1,000 just for Face ID alone. It's exclusivity has been destroyed by the fact that iOS 11 is all across current compatible devices and with AR as well. Why blow off $1,000 on iPhone X when people can get AR on a 6 or 7 iphone, even SE? People don't realize that if Face ID becomes standardized, it'll come to the cheaper phones.

And then the $1,000 price tag will be meaningless. Apple shot itself in the foot for doing that but people are NOT seeing it.

What you’re not seeing is the $1000 price tag is not a factor for everyone.
There are people in the world that make enough that they don’t bat an eylash at $1000 for a phone.

 

[dallas112678]

What I really want to know, is what happens with Face ID if you gain/lose weight? What happens for women if they are going full on make-up mode with multiple layers of foundation and so forth. What about those who love to get that plastic surgery?

Basically, people's faces will change with time and this can bring annoyances with a facial scanner. Iris's and finger-prints, on the other hand, don't really change.

 

[9081094]

You're saying that Apple shot itself in the foot while simultaneously saying people are falling for it. Non sequitur.

An alternate explanation might be that Apple has turned the feature into a cash cow before making it intentionally ubiquitous.

I’m happy you’re happy with it. I meant the Apple TV 4K indeed. Most smart TVs sold over here have all the possibilities already built in. Even voice control. So I don’t see any benefit in buying an Apple TV 4K. My own Apple TV 3 will be my last one. When I’m buying a new oled tv next year it will be obsolete.

 

[dtrj787]

In France, one can get Samsung Galaxy S8 for 585€ (Amazon), while iPhone X starts at 1159€ (Apple). So that X marvel is twice more expensive at the moment.

S8 and the Note 8 are not the same thing. That's like comparing the iPhone 8 to the iPhone 8 Plus.

 

[raghu8912]

Not possible for apple to patent this technology?

All the components in a phone are commoditized, all the components are made in China, if Samsung goes to same manufacturer & pay them more money they will make exactly same component for Samsung. You know how patents work in China.

 

[iSayBoourns]

They're falling for the Face ID, 'better cameras' and high storage insanity. Especially the animoji crap. I'm not fooled by this $1,000 price tag. iPhone X is NOT worth $1,000 just for Face ID alone. It's exclusivity has been destroyed by the fact that iOS 11 is all across current compatible devices and with AR as well. Why blow off $1,000 on iPhone X when people can get AR on a 6 or 7 iphone, even SE? People don't realize that if Face ID becomes standardized, it'll come to the cheaper phones.

And then the $1,000 price tag will be meaningless. Apple shot itself in the foot for doing that but people are NOT seeing it.

First off there’s a lot more than just FaceID inside the iPhone X. Don’t be ignorant.

Secondly, it’s rumoured that Google’s next Pixel 2 XL (or whatever it will be called) is knocking on that $1000 doorstep as well, all while not offering anything new at all to the smartphone world, and in some cases lacking standard features others have. So basically asking nearly just as much money but offering even less.

People say Apple sheep are blind, but it’s the haters who have their head in the sand.

 

[dtrj787]

With the fingerprint reader, my phone is unlocked by the time I look at it. I don't need to first look at it and swipe up. FaceID is clearly less convenient.

But, in terms of purchases and app logins they require no additional movement.

 

[deanthedev]

See my earlier post. Apple is already behind in speed and battery with the competition.

A stupid video opening Apps. Wonder why you ignore tests where actual work is being done. Like rendering video?

 

[raghu8912]

S8 and the Note 8 are not the same thing. That's like comparing the iPhone 8 to the iPhone 8 Plus.

iPhone SE costs 349$ while Galaxy S8+ costs 749$ more than twice the price of SE.
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First with multi-touch (just getting it as smooth as the iPhone took a decade)

Then retina
- Touch-ID
- Secure enclaves that doesn’t expose the private key
- 64 Bit
- Swift/APFS
- CPU design
- GPU design
- Camera and haptics(arguable)
- AR
- And now TrueDepth.

Apple is/was years ahead in all these categories. They have set a tremendous foundation.

you forgot Force touch.

 

[dtrj787]

There won't be an iphone 9. They can't go backwards with the numbering. It'll have to be an 11 and then on. If they do that, they'll look like jacka$$es for doing so.

They said the "X" was the phone of the future. So I don't think an iPhone 9 is so far off, but I think the "S" cycles might be over.

 

[iSayBoourns]

In France, one can get Samsung Galaxy S8 for 585€ (Amazon), while iPhone X starts at 1159€ (Apple). So that X marvel is twice more expensive at the moment.

The s8 has been out for most of the year already so of course it’s available for less than it initially released for. The newer Note 8 when released earlier this fall was just about $1000 also. Google’s next XL size phone is also rumoured to be right by that $1000 too (and not even have any new features to the table and even lacking features others offer)