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I don't get why both cannot co-exist... Maybe the device's cost skyrockets? But I'd love a setup where both are there
 
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Faceid doesn't solve any problems for the user. Apple will surely get it to work eventually but it will not be a big selling point over systems based on fingerprint recognition.

They aren’t focusing on it cause it’s a selling point itself...the selling point in their minds is what they can avoid by NOT having the hardware req for Touch ID...in terms of screen, freed up space for other hardware, etc. So while most people won’t buy a phone because of face id, some people will buy a phone Apple is able to design because of face id....
 
well, maybe don't go outside during the day.
there's more infrared light in sunlight than visible light.

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edit- oops.. i see others have said similar before me.
i'm not trying to gang up on you @GrumpyMom..
sorry if it seems that way.
There is no infra-red in visible light by definition. Visible light is the range of wavelengths that the eye can see. Infra-red is outwith that range. As is ultra-violet.
I suspect you meant to say that infra-red is present in sunlight.
 
They aren’t focusing on it cause it’s a selling point itself...the selling point in their minds is what they can avoid by NOT having the hardware req for Touch ID...in terms of screen, freed up space for other hardware, etc. So while most people won’t buy a phone because of face id, some people will buy a phone Apple is able to design because of face id....

But the 8 cameras required hardly free up much space! What would have freed up space was behind screen touch ID and a far smaller bar at the top for cameras and speaker...
 
I am still waiting to see how FaceID handles the optical distortion of glasses, users switching from glasses to contacts, raindrops or sweat on the face, partial obstruction of the face (e.g., scarf, bandage), puffiness from colds, the growth of facial hair, sunburn, and for some there might be issues related to make-up. The facial recognition had better be bulletproof if Apple are abandoning something as reliable as TouchID. This is particularly true given what Apple are charging for the iPhone X. Also, Apple need to get rid of the notch and the camera lens bump on the back.
 
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Would have preferred it like this, still using the real estate but less awkward looking -

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The fact that Apple themselves prohibit dev's from hiding the notch is ridiculous, as if its something that should be embraced. The fact is, if Apple could hide these sensors underneath the screen, they would be hidden just there. Giving customers a SMALLER screen than on the plus models, removing TouchID, and having that awkward eyesore is not acceptable for many in 2017. Apple is known for making drastic changes in short periods of time, but the X model may have been too big of a change, and could have an adverse chain reaction if they don't manage to get everything worked out by launch date.
 
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Not a fan of something you’ve never used. Wow.

As I have noted above, there are significant problems to overcome. You can decide not to be a fan because you believe that some engineering problems seem intractable. I guess we'll see, but like many users I see spending a lot of money on the iPhone X as a risk because the new technology hasn't been tested in the real world.
 
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Displacing the display with a notch is the furthest thing from giving the user more usable screen estate. The only info that will be displayed at the top will be battery, wifi signal, etc. When you view videos/pictures, there will be borders on the top and bottom, because of the difference in aspect ratio 16:9 content vs 19.5:9 display. There would still be borders, even without the notch when viewing videos/pictures, BUT it wouldn't have that eyesore when zooming in, or viewing any content in landscape mode. Believe it or not. The iPhone 8 Plus has a larger screen than the iPhone X.

And those things are moved from the main screen giving more useable screen.
 
As I have noted above, there are significant problems to overcome. You can decide not to be a fan because you believe that some engineering problems seem intractable. I guess we'll see, but like many users I see spending a lot of money on the iPhone X as a risk because the new technology hasn't been tested in the real world.

They’ve been testing this technology for a long time. Several phone releases have had issues yes, but you just have to wait and see for yourself.

And is the iPhone X really that much money? September 2016: iPhone 7 Plus 256GB $969 revealed. If you finance the iPhone X for 12 months (even tho it’s a 24 month term) and trade it in for something else, you only paid for half the phone.
 
Nah - Apple will milk it for a few years yet I reckon and an excuse to keep the premier phone at X pricing
 
I like the fingerprint reader, but until i have seen FaceID in the flesh and had an experience of it i'm not going to throw a tantrum.
 
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I wonder if the people complaining about face id are the same people that complain about electric vehicles "BECAUSE I LIKE THE SOUND OF MUH V8"
 
No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.

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Like it or not, 99% of the people who were going to buy an iPhone are still going to buy an iPhone.

Personally, I intend to be enjoying my 8 Plus for years to come. After that, I’ll see what’s out there.
 
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Same way there are so many users vouching for its ease of use, simplicity, and speed, although, never ever trying it before. I'm surprised there have not been any videos "leaked" to the net yet, as there are several people walking with the device already. Surprised no one on any forums seem to be a buddy of any of those individuals. If FaceID worked as well as they claim, I'm sure there would be leaks all over via videos, personal stories, etc.
Were there video or personal stories leaks on TouchID before it shipped?
 
And those things are moved from the main screen giving more useable screen.
How is that more usable screen? Displacing the screen estate that the notch takes up, to show notifications, does not miraculously "create" more screen estate. It's almost the same as buying a bag of chips, that contains half air, and half chips. If manufacturers replaced all the air in the bag with just chips, it wouldn't magically make the bag bigger. It just means they were more efficient with using up available space.
 
When this forum goes into a tizzy, you can be sure that Apple is doing something right.

It’s like when your claypot friend tells you he is betting on a certain soccer team, you mortgage your entire house and bet everything you have on the opposite team.
 
They’ve been testing this technology for a long time. Several phone releases have had issues yes, but you just have to wait and see for yourself.

And is the iPhone X really that much money? September 2016: iPhone 7 Plus 256GB $969 revealed. If you finance the iPhone X for 12 months (even tho it’s a 24 month term) and trade it in for something else, you only paid for half the phone.

I hope you are right, but even the demo of the iPhone X didn't work as planned. When has that last happened at any Apple demo? I understand the that the problem was actually a security feature, but the whole point of any ID is quick accurate authentication of the user.

So far as I can tell Apple has discussed the properties of FaceID only with respect to false positives, in effect citing evidence that it is extremely unlikely that somebody other than you will not be able to unlock the phone. That's swell. However, they have not discussed the issue of false negatives, in which the phone doesn't recognise you. I know something of the science of face recognition in the brain. My bet is that false negatives will be the biggest challenge. I hope Face ID works, but if it doesn't it makes the price of the iPhone X very high for a phone that you would have to unlock through typing a password.
 
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My 2 satoshi's on this issue.

I think the whole idea behind this is the economy of scale.

Its far more profitable if they use only one technology and then they mass produce it

I also think we will see this technology on iPads, iMac and Macbooks soon.

Just imagine if you sit down and look computer and it instantly unlocks and vice versa, you stand up and computer automatically goes to sleep.

Animoji-s are the beginning of what can it be done with FaceID technology.

I also think the current iPhone 7 with minor changes (A10, iPhone 7 display, FaceID, smaller body because of the lack of TouchID) will be the next SE phone.

We can now comment on FaceID technology and use and be very critical on it, because the majority of us have not tried it yet.

And remember people were sceptical of TouchID when it was first introduced.
 
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Amazing how Face ID has so many haters... when nobody's actually tried it yet!

Yeah... It's like when TouchID was announced a few years ago. All of a sudden there were going to be muggers who after accosting you, would chop off your thumb and run away with both your thumb and phone. Some people really believed that was a probable real life scenario.
 
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