You generalize "change". People want Apple to "change" old models of Mac computers to introduce new technology that already exists in the PC arena..ie., to keep current, instead of selling 4 year old technology like the Mac Pro. The change here replaces something that no one really complains about, and doesn't offer any significant improvements, instead is just a different way of doing something that already works all in the name of what they think is the holy grail -- a full glass front.
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You generalize "change". People want Apple to "change" old models of Mac computers to introduce new technology that already exists in the PC arena..ie., to keep current, instead of selling 4 year old technology like the Mac Pro. The change here replaces something that no one really complains about, and doesn't offer any significant improvements, instead is just a different way of doing something that already works all in the name of what they think is the holy grail -- a full glass front.
I have a sticker covering the camera of each Mac/PC I own. Most of the iPads in my house have something covering the front camera. Although it sounds cool in concept to lock/unlock as you described, I would still not be interested.
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hmm.. not quite sure what distinction you're tying to make between what i said and what you suspect i meant.
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i originally said "there's more infrared light in sunlight than visible light."
..and that's actually what i meant to say.
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"Sunlight" does not mean "visible light emitted from the sun"
for example, the opening line of the wiki states:
Sunlight is a portion of the electromagnetic radiation given off by the Sun, in particular infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light.
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idk, i suppose not very important either way.
Change is not only about resolving the complaints. Face ID on paper is a major improvement on Touch ID. Period.
Those extra elements do indeed take up "a lot" of that sensor array and thus, a lot of the screen. Without the need for them Apple may have been able to make the other elements more compact and elegent, as LG and Samsung have in their flagship phones - which don't have "notches".
And as for your point to the other poster, that's EXACTLY why FaceID failed (presuming the explanation was legit), all embarrassment for Apple aside, did TouchID ever fail on stage? No? Because you have to press the button, FaceID failed because it's constantly scanning for faces, so everyone who walks by your phone will be scanned and you'll have to use a passcode in public areas. People will say "Apple will have tested it", just like they did the iPhone 4 antenna bands I guess?
It was your use of the word. ...MORE.
It was implying that there is a smaller amount of infra-red in visible light than in sunlight.
I have more money than you implies we both have money.
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Yeah, but that's assuming you have the time to do that. True, you can be forced with Touch ID, but that requires physical action on their part and physical action on your part to comply. For example at a traffic stop all an officer has to do is point your phone at your face and they now have access. To me it seems like publicly filming/taking pictures. If you're outside you can be filmed. There is no law stopping that. What protection is there for your rights from someone simple waving your phone in front of your face.
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the original statement: "there's more infrared light in sunlight than visible light."...
so yes, it could be read as me saying there is infrared light in sunlight... and there's infrared in visible light.
for sake of example, let's say sunlight is composed of only visible light and infrared light..
60% of the composition is infrared.. 40% of it is visible..
so, how do you write that in one sentence to avoid the confusion you've pointed out?
without switching up the structure of the statement, is this better-- "There is more infrared light in sunlight than there is visible light"
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so yes, i too wonder how the X will power on & off
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ha.. yeah, i see what you're saying now.It was your use of the word. ...MORE.
It was implying that there is a smaller amount of infra-red in visible light than in sunlight.
I have more money than you implies we both have money.
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the original statement: "there's more infrared light in sunlight than visible light."...
so yes, it could be read as me saying there is infrared light in sunlight... and there's infrared in visible light.
for sake of example, let's say sunlight is composed of only visible light and infrared light..
60% of the composition is infrared.. 40% of it is visible..
so, how do you write that in one sentence to avoid the confusion you've pointed out?
without switching up the structure of the statement, is this better-- "There is more infrared light in sunlight than there is visible light"
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oh.. right.
so yes, i too wonder how the X will power on & off
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You can never know/say what cops will/will not do. If you have time to turn your phone off the pass code would protect you as it does now. If a warrant is issued and you don't comply then you sit in jail until something gives. I think some guy is/was in jail for a long time for refusal to unlock his phone. If a warrant is issued you will be forced to comply by my example by literally doing nothing. Maybe if the phone goes more than 2 days without facial unlocking you're forced to type in your pass code. But because of that 2 day window I can see a lot of John Wayne's unlocking your phone for you. Whether anything gathered is admissible at that point is another story.
I wish this were true.No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.
ok.
regardless of getting into all that, my point was more to do with faceID and touchID being the same regarding the cops..
they can illegally force you to use either..
or they can legally force you to use either.
as in-- touchID gives you no more security against the cops than faceID does..
if you get arrested, they do two things-- take your picture and take your fingerprints.. just like they can either use your face to unlock your phone or use your fingerprints to unlock it.
my other point was.. if this is a major concern or yours, don't use faceID nor touchID.. use a passcode.
That's the thing with the Face ID. It wouldn't require any brutality. You don't have to hold someone down and pry their fingers open to unlock it. If you do have time to turn the phone off or use the SOS feature than that would protect you. You never know what direction our country is heading in with regards to our protections.
Yeah I can't wait for something that requires me to look at the phone when with TouchID Its already unlocked and ready by the time I look at it
I agree that it does depend on the user, which is why I said the majority of people use it without a problem. People like you who need the various ports that older MacBooks use are a minority. I’m not discrediting people don’t need the older ports, I’m saying most people don’t.
MagSafe, like I said I do miss it and I understand that you trip over your cord a lot. But this is a statistical situation Apple is dealing with. They must have gathered data from a source that deals with this kind of stuff. How many computers sold in a specific time period vs how many came in for fall damage because of tripping over the cable. If the number is below a certain percent, it is worth the trade off in removing MagSafe and replacing it with a more useful port.
The Notch looks way better at the top than the bottom. It’s also not wide enough for Touch ID. And for all we know, FaceID may be equally or more convenient.
I actually gave up explaining people same thing over and over! 3’d of November can’t come soon enough so all this drama comes to an end.
Cops have to get your phone first. They're not going to magically teleport in front of you. You'll see if you're being approached, particularly if you're being signaled to pull to the curb, so there's definitely time to enable SOS mode. Current case law indicates that you're legally required to unlock your phone with your fingerprint on request, so the passcode, which you can decline to provide, is your only protection (providing "something you know" is considered potential self-incrimination; providing "something you have," like a fingerprint or your face, isn't).
Sure, they have foreheads instead. Ok, I forgot the flood illuminator (but also the microphone), so it is still 'only' three out of eight elements that are there for FaceID. So at best (eg, with a fingerprint sensor on the back) the notch would have been half as wide and maybe a bit less tall (IR camera seems taller than standard camera). But the notch would not be gone unless Apple added a forehead and chin like Samsung and LG.
Sure, FaceID has other failure scenarios than TouchID. And you don't have to press the home button to activate TouchID, you only have to touch it (eg, if raise-to-wake is enabled or the screen is on for another reason). FaceID is not constantly scanning its surroundings. You’ll need to wake the phone with one of several methods, which includes rise to wake or tapping the Sleep/Wake button or an app or Apple service requesting authentication before FaceID starts scanning.
You have zero way of knowing whether it performs worse or better in real life. You cannot base a conclusion on a sample size of one. A stage scenario is certainly different than real life, how many different people touch your iPhone every day?
The only thing you can do here is speculate. And even TouchID fails me at least once every day (because of wet fingers generally).
You know that you are setting yourself up for possibly looking really stupid? It's not guaranteed but it is quite possible. Quick question: Did you also predict that the lack of a headphone port would result in a profound free slide in sales? Sounds like you would be the type to have made such a prediction.