Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition

[Regime2008]

Were there video or personal stories leaks on TouchID before it shipped?

Now i could be completely wrong, but I don't recall that many/or any sightings of the iphone 5s phone out in the wild, like you see with the iPhone X. Plus if i remember correctly, when touchID was demoed for the first time, it actually worked on stage. iPhone X on the other hand didn't have a insightful demo of faceID actually working.

 

[ValO]

I want apple to include something for a 2step verification, without noticing it, what about a heart rate sensing tech , or something else so the phone knows you are the person holding the phone, or a fingerprint sensor all over the back of the sides of the phone, so you don’ t notice it authenticating.
I just want the phone the be more “robbing” proof, for instance people taking the phone out of your hand and pointing it at your face.

I see the possibilities for faceid, but i guess the first gen can’ t id your face from every angle(laying flat on the table in certain angles from your face, etc), and the fact that you still need to slide up to get to the home screen , apple needs something that makes this a more seamless experience. Now you still have to swipe up, that is about the same as pressing a button. So now: look at the phone, swipe up, and go to your home screen. That takes 2 actions to go to your home screen instead of one(pressing a button)

 

[25ghosts]

Yeah.... lets start with the rumors already... What will it look like, mockups etc.

We are all happier with that info

 

[cardfan]

Sounds kind of dumb. Apple won't abandon touch ID that soon. It's cheap for them and they love that iphone 6 series.

 

[andreyush]

If this is true, I will be using my existing SE for a long long time.

Perfect device for me.
Absolutely zero desire for anything physically larger and I actually use the 3.5mm jack a *ton*

I hear you bro..Best iPhone ever made for 4 inch display lovers.
Very powerfull chip combined with the best design in my opinion. And so cheap for an iphone. Perfect .

 

[OddyOh]

Just imagine if you sit down and look computer and it instantly unlocks and vice versa, you stand up and computer automatically goes to sleep.

That's horrible user experience if you're setting up a long video render and walking away from your computer kills it by sleeping. However I get your point - preferably it could just lock the screen vs sleeping the entire Mac.

 

[vvs14]

If you do not know why, simply ask. Your snarky anger does not help.

Lol. Not angry at all. You could have clarified his doubt to start off with instead of asking him to 'think about Apples long term vision and then ask yourself why?'. You obviously think of yourself as better informed and instead of just giving out info, choose to act smart.

 

[loby]

Says the guy that hasn't even tried it.

It is not about trying it that people are talking about, it is the whole concept of using your face to unlock the phone. Don’t like a scanner hitting my eyes all the time, plus information gathering etc. good reason not to be a fan of it. Just like the concept of retina scanning for identification. Don’t have to try it to not like the concept.

 

[Regime2008]

It is not about trying it that people are talking about, it is the whole concept of using your face to unlock the phone. Don’t like a scanner hitting my eyes all the time, plus information gathering etc. good reason not to be a fan of it. Just like the concept of retina scanning for identification. Don’t have to try it to not like the concept.

Good to see not everyone jumps on board to everything that Apple feels is best. There's plenty of reasons to be skeptical. I won't say that it's gonna fail, nor will i say it will be the best thing to ever come to a device. Several people have stated valid concerns and have even asked questions, and most of them will probably go unanswered

 

[acblue94]

TouchID is one of my favorite features.

Now there is one step less. Even better

 

[democracyrules]

All of the iPhones Apple plans to produce in 2018 are likely to abandon the Touch ID fingerprint sensor in favor of facial recognition, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told investors in a note sent out this evening.

According to Kuo, Apple will embrace Face ID as its authentication method for a competitive advantage over Android smartphones. Kuo has previously said that it could take years for Android smartphone manufacturers to produce technology that can match the TrueDepth camera and the Face ID feature coming in the iPhone X.

Face ID, says Kuo, will continue to be a major selling point of the new iPhone models in 2018, with Apple planning to capitalize on its lead in 3D sensing design and production.

Kuo's prediction suggests that all upcoming 2018 iPhones will feature a full-screen design with minimal bezels like the iPhone X, meaning no additional models with the iPhone 8/iPhone 8 Plus design would be produced.

That would spell the end of the line for Touch ID in the iPhone, which has been available as a biometric authentication option since 2013. It's not clear what that means for the Mac and the iPad, but Kuo has said he expects next year's iPad Pro models to transition to Face ID.

Should Apple decide to abandon Touch ID, it also means development would potentially end on a rumored under-display Touch ID solution.

Back in September, Kuo predicted 2018 iPhones would fully adopt the TrueDepth camera and facial recognition if Face ID was "well received" by customers, but further research conducted by KGI Securities has led him to believe it will indeed be successful, leading to today's more definitive prediction.

Kuo believes that Apple's transition away from Touch ID will also turn Android smartphone manufacturers away from fingerprint recognition. As he said in an earlier note, he expects high-end Android smartphones to "ditch" under-display optical fingerprint recognition in favor of 3D sensing techniques.

Despite Kuo's prediction, Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi recently hinted that Apple may not be ready to abandon Touch ID across all its products just yet. While he said Face ID is the future of biometric authentication, he also noted that there are settings where different biometric techniques or combinations of biometrics could make sense.

Article Link: Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition

Nothing new in the rumor news above. iPhone X is the foundation design of all future iPhone generation. Good move for Apple!!

 

[Jimrod]

Now there is one step less. Even better

Touch ID = One step (press)

Face ID = Two steps (look at phone and swipe up).


The swipe is the equivalent of the "touch" in TouchID, but with TouchID at least you can just have your phone led on a desk while you're working and open it. We don't yet know how well FaceID will work in a similar situation so at best they're an equal number of steps, at worst more.

 

[mmm1345]

I feel dirty but I'm going to try and get the iPhone X at launch. If not, then i'll just wait until next Oct or finally switch to Android and get the Galaxy S9 - I'm assuming that phone will be a beast since the S8 is.

 

[loby]

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True. For example, the whole trend toward avoiding physical buttons.



Seriously?

I often challenge what Apple PR says, but there's no reason not to believe their claim that biometric info never leaves the phone.

Like you also believe that no one knows where you are at all times (GPS). Do you think that the “know where your friends are” is just so you can comment on Facebook about where a friend is? I am not a conspiracy theory type of guy, but that information is gold for NSA and marketers...

 

[69Mustang]

PrimeSense, the technology provider of Microsoft's Xbox Kinect is now owned by Apple. Face ID should be based on a more advanced version of PrimeSense's technology.

Prime Sense was a tech provider of the original Kinect. MS developed their own tech for Kinect 2.0. That, along with Intel's Real Sense 3D Camera get's you to Window's Hello. Apple acquiring PrimeSense is not an issue.

 

[RickInHouston]

No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.

You've not bought Apple products for very long, have you? That's exactly what they do.

 

[AirunJae]

The amount of FUD in some of the comments... good grief. People are sad/whiny when Apple doesn't change things and they're sad/whiny when they do. Or maybe they're different groups... but I'm inclined to bet that there's significant overlap between both.

 

[RickInHouston]

I'm good with Android fingerprint sensor. As Fleetwood Mac once sang, "GoYour Own Way," Apple.

 

[TN4U]

I'm sorry, but I really don't like the idea of Face ID. Apple just introduced this feature and now they want to shove it down our throats like this. Unlike the removals of the headphone jack, CD drives in Macs, and hard drives, this is an actual security feature that's proven to work. I don't trust Face ID and I see it as an inconvenience rather than a "proven better feature".

I get it. This is the future of password identification. It's probably cheaper to make than a scanner, and there's always the passcode, but I would really hate to see Touch ID completely abandoned like this.

Honestly, I would buy the X if it had a fingerprint scanner under the screen or even on the back. But as it stands right now, no thank you.

 

[flat five]

C) No actual response to points so throw in some exaggerations to try and dismiss the actual points.

when you start a conversation with someone by using personal attacks, it's likely you're not going to be respected in a way to warrant further conversation or debate.

 

[ocnitsa]

But the 8 cameras required hardly free up much space! What would have freed up space was behind screen touch ID and a far smaller bar at the top for cameras and speaker...

You don’t think the cameras themselves are a selling point?

 

[Jimrod]

You don’t think the cameras themselves are a selling point?

The need for 8 cameras is to scan your face, not anything particularly beneficial. They take up a lot more space than the old front camera alone, so we can lose TouchID, to save space...

 

[Ted13]

That’s what doesn’t make sense to me.

The SE is a huge seller in so-called emerging markets, like South Asia and Africa.

Are they going to move the SE replacement to Face ID, or keep the current SE as is for several more years? There are big downsides to either. If they do the former, that’ll make it more expensive to produce, and likely have the same lower yields we’re seeing reported. With the latter, the phone will fall further and further behind current tech.

I’m very interested to see how this resolves.

There is no way to think that Face ID yields will still be low a year from now. Low yields always go away - they don't last a year. Same for prices - they go down. The biggest price hike is due to OLED which has nothing to do with Face ID and won't be on a SE 2, unless it's prices also collapse.

 

[manu chao]

Now i could be completely wrong, but I don't recall that many/or any sightings of the iphone 5s phone out in the wild, like you see with the iPhone X.

There are de facto no sightings of the iPhone X out in the wild either.

Plus if i remember correctly, when touchID was demoed for the first time, it actually worked on stage.

You know full well that FaceID worked on stage as well as TouchID given the same usage parameters (every biometric system has a maximum number of failed attempts after which it requires additional authentication).

iPhone X on the other hand didn't have a insightful demo of faceID actually working.

FaceID did not work on the second phone on the stage?
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The need for 8 cameras is to scan your face, not anything particularly beneficial. They take up a lot more space than the old front camera alone, so we can lose TouchID, to save space...

Yeah, 'a lot more space', going from four to six elements. FaceID needs two additional elements: dot projector and IR camera. Standard camera, loudspeaker, proximity sensor and True Tone sensor would be there without FaceID as well.

 

[geta]

"We predict all new 2H18F iPhone models will likely abandon fingerprint recognition" - that not a prediction, thats 50\50, basically covering his ass from any direction... everyone can "predict" that.

On other note, its likely to happen in one point (hopefully not), just dont think as early as next year. When it'll happen, in that moment i'll get myself the last iPhone model with TouchID and keep it as long as i can.

Hopefully TouchID will come back under the display when this tech will be ready.

PS, maybe Apple saying this (and will do this for a while) just to steer their competition from developing TouchID under the display, and in the future they'll be the first one to introduce when its ready.