MickPaddy
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I know that. It's essentially the same size as the 4.7" models.
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Thumbs up for the use of Pulp Fiction.
Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition
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A bezel-less screen without losing touch id is to gain.
flat five
macrumors 603
another comparison with the Plus on top.. X on bottom..
if you want to watch the original/uncropped version of a movie, without the notch being in the scene..
the X will still show a larger version of the film:
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and don't forget, the bottom is also on a much smaller physical sized device.
this comparison would be much more extreme if doing X vs regular iPhone.
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pretty sure i said that in the post of mine you quoted, right?
(though even with touchID under screen, i still don't think you're going to arrive at a bezel-less screen.. likely arrive at the same sized bezel as on the X.. maybe shaped differently-- wider/thinner?)
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Vanilla35
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Anecdotal evidence. Looks much slower when you look at any video of it being used.
VulchR
macrumors 68040
Humans really cannot resolve dots finer than 300 dpi without a magnifying glass. The first laser-writers used 300dpi...
AT&T representative
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Eventually you might not have a choice. Seems like all the new cameras are being equipped with some sort of AI for face recognition. Even Google has some creepy looking clip on thing. They want our faces in their databases and unless you’re willing to use out of date equipment, you’ll probably have to comply someday. China already has a way to identify every person, car, and object that passes by one of their CCTV cameras. Minority Report is coming to a city near you weather you want it or not. Check out the “mysterious metal towers popping up in NYC” they won’t tell us what they are for but facial recognition is one of the suspected features that they might already have.No Thanx! I will NEVER buy a Face-ID device.
Don't shoe-horn things into consumers faces that they've never asked for and don't take away things they care deeply about. Enjoy the free-slide in sales. It may not be immediate, but it will be profound.
sclawis300
macrumors 65816
Who said that? What did they remove to give us Touch ID?That's what they said about TouchID
Solomani
macrumors 601
I agree I think Kuo is wrong. Apple will likely keep TouchID for the "entry-level" models for at least 1 year. It just makes too much sense for them economically, financially, profitability-wise (TouchID is cheaper than FaceID hardware), etc.
ActionableMango
macrumors G3
That is not true. The 300dpi figure from the Apple media event makes two assumptions: (1) that the person has 20/20 vision and (2) the person is holding the smartphone about 1.5 feet away.
For people with better vision or those holding the smartphone closer, DPI needs to get higher. For example ~700dpi is about the limit for 20/10 vision at one foot.
Yes, but fine art prints use 720dpi.
I gave a reason why exactly I am avoiding the use of the facial recognition at least while it’s new—not that I’m getting it anyway. You chose to ignore my reason and equate my reasoning to that of a five year old’s, so be it, I happen to like and respect some intelligent five year olds more than some adults I know. Plus, I can’t entirely blame you for your perceptions because my off-the-cuff writing style is not the clearest.
I’ll use the technology once others, many others, have used it first and not suffered any ill effects like I did with a related form of it implemented by Samsung. Apple has said they have tested it already and they declare it to be safe and I believe they are sincere, but again, I’ll wait for more evidence once it’s in the wild. I’ll also wait for more articles describing it in greater detail and comparing and contrasting it to Samsung’s implementation. Right now, I’ve not read anything to sufficiently explain how it’s similar and how it’s different to know if I can reasonably anticipate the same eye problems I was having with my Samsung’s IR iris scanner.
travelsheep
macrumors 6502a
or iPhones that eat meat instead of veggies, because veganism is the future
Why must it be "all or nothing" with Apple? Why can't users have choice?
Ok, yeah, maybe it'd drive the cost up a little. But so does the OLED screen and the Face ID stuff. The iPhone X is the most expensive device to date, and people are all prepared to soak it up.
So what's wrong with "You can choose - fingerprint sensor on the side/back, Face ID, or maybe even both - two factor!".
(Steve Jobs used to do stuff like this - like unilaterally changing the function of the lock switch on the iPad - and they did eventually relent and make it an option. But it seems like tech companies at large are moving to the stance of "We will tell you what you want. And you will like it because we're who we are."
On the other hand, maybe the mass market is truly complacent enough not to care and just soak up whatever they're given.
Ok, yeah, maybe it'd drive the cost up a little. But so does the OLED screen and the Face ID stuff. The iPhone X is the most expensive device to date, and people are all prepared to soak it up.
So what's wrong with "You can choose - fingerprint sensor on the side/back, Face ID, or maybe even both - two factor!".
(Steve Jobs used to do stuff like this - like unilaterally changing the function of the lock switch on the iPad - and they did eventually relent and make it an option. But it seems like tech companies at large are moving to the stance of "We will tell you what you want. And you will like it because we're who we are."
On the other hand, maybe the mass market is truly complacent enough not to care and just soak up whatever they're given.
But what will happen if you just want to glance at the screen, to see if you have any notifications? It doesnt have AlwaysOn screen, so you'll have to press the power button and that wil automatically activate FaceID and BAM, phone unlocked and you cant even see what notifications you had?
I like the FaceID idea, but i need to see it in real life first to see how well and convenient it behaves...
I like the FaceID idea, but i need to see it in real life first to see how well and convenient it behaves...
Everything is completely safe. Until it's not...
You either believe in Apple's ability to safeguard it or you don't. Waiting X amount of time to see if someone else gets their info stolen doesn't make your subsequent use of the feature any safer, it just means it hasn't been hacked yet... that's all. Your position would have a bit more validity if Apple had a history of data breeches, but since they don't, what difference does waiting make? If it happens it won't necessarily happen in the first few months/years anyway.
Equifax was safe. For decades they didn't have a (major) issue. Then they did. If you had somehow been able to opt out of Equifax for 10 years, you would have still gotten your info stolen well after the "wait and see if it's safe" period.
It's all about the confidence you have in the company and the companies track record. Waiting to see if it happens right away doesn't accomplish anything (except making you wait). Sure, in the random event something does happen you can pat yourself on the back, but it's totally random if it does in this case anyway. It's not like Apple has been sloppy with personal data in the past, in fact they are arguably the global leader in protections of personal information.
I wasn’t talking about data breaches. At all. Never. Ever. Apps uses a secure enclave on the device to store our facial data. It stays on the device. There is no security problem with that methodology as far as I’ve ever heard.
I was talking about a health problem I ran into with the IR scanner as implemented by Samsung. Now my husband, who also uses that technology, is showing signs of early stages of whatever that scanner is doing to our eyeballs to make them hurt so bad when we use the scanner. IR is ubiquitous and generally perfectly safe in most uses, but there’s something about its implementation in Samsung’s scanner that causes some of us physical pain when the beam goes into our eyes. We do not yet know what is happening and we likely won’t know because there aren’t enough of us coming forward with a problem for there to have been any studies done to look into this. I am expressing extreme caution until I know more about the safety of Apple’s implementation of its IR emitter. Because I have only one set of eyes and I would like to keep them healthy.
flat five
macrumors 603
i think one of the reasons you have to swipe up with faceID is so the unlocked phone will remain on the lock screen/notifications if you want..
it will probably be the same as touchID in that you can have an unlocked phone while remaining on the lock screen.. like this:
..see up top, it's unlocked.. at the bottom, it tells you to press home button to open.. on the X, it will say swipe up to open instead.
but yeah, as your last sentence says.. "but i need to see it in real life first to see how well and convenient it behaves"
staggerlee41
macrumors 65816
That was my point but you articulated it more clearly. I do believe Face ID is the future and will be featured in the flagship model(s). Then again, I'm not an analyst and don't get paid to do what Kuo does, so what do I know. Just my random opinion.
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This could be Kuo working with Apple to simply try to divert attention away from Touch ID under Glass ... in other words, to try to trigger the Android manufacturers to DE-emphasize their R&D efforts in this area.
Said it before, will say it again ... whoever gets viable & credible Touch ID under Glass working will "Win the Day" ... and on that day that it becomes a reality, Face ID then becomes only a Novelty !
Said it before, will say it again ... whoever gets viable & credible Touch ID under Glass working will "Win the Day" ... and on that day that it becomes a reality, Face ID then becomes only a Novelty !
farewelwilliams
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my understanding is that Samsung scales up the production. Apple is perfectly capable of developing their own technology and then relies on others to manufacture the displays. i'll be shocked if Apple isn't looking into their own display tech.
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or rather, sammy copies apple's direction
Ntombi
macrumors 68040
Yes you can.
I’ve heard it said multiple times that you can swipe up before the unlock is complete, and it’ll open the phone when your face is verified.
I’ve also heard that the verification is almost instantaneous, so you’re basically doing a lift-swipe, and it’s open.
Are you serious? They could have allowed more fingers in a heartbeat.
You handle your phone while you're cooking? Like looking at recipes or something? Regardless... germs!