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For me, TouchID is the perfect balance of ease of use and intentionally unlocking. I don’t see FaceID striking that same balance. For instance, I don’t want my phone to unlock when I’m just reading information on my lock screen. Maybe I’m more paranoid about security than others but that’s important to me. But I’ll wait to give my final judgment on FaceID’s overall usefulness until it’s been sufficiently tested in the wild.
 
For me, TouchID is the perfect balance of ease of use and intentionally unlocking. I don’t see FaceID striking that same balance. For instance, I don’t want my phone to unlock when I’m just reading information on my lock screen. Maybe I’m more paranoid about security than others but that’s important to me. But I’ll wait to give my final judgment on FaceID’s overall usefulness until it’s been sufficiently tested in the wild.
Face ID doesn't log you into your home screen. I just takes you to the lock screen.
 
Face ID doesn't log you into your home screen. I just takes you to the lock screen.

The unlocked lock screen you mean. ;)

I know. I mean that I don’t want it to be unlocked as in able to be used.

It’s confusing that “unlock” has two meanings, but in regard to my post I don’t want either.
 
That is not true. The 300dpi figure from the Apple media event makes two assumptions: (1) that the person has 20/20 vision and (2) the person is holding the smartphone about 1.5 feet away.

For people with better vision or those holding the smartphone closer, DPI needs to get higher. For example ~700dpi is about the limit for 20/10 vision at one foot.



Yes, but fine art prints use 720dpi.

Seriously? Do you know about the physiology of the visual system? 700 dpi gives about 36 microns between centres of pixels. With the unaided eye you could not distinguish between adjacent pixels. Even distinguishing adjacent pixels is difficult at 300 dpi (about 85 microns distance between pixel centres), for the limit of being able to see something by eye is about 100 microns.

What Apple (and every other company selling anything with a display or indeed cameras) have done is made it sound like the higher dpi is somehow better. However, there are considerably diminishing returns as the dpi of pixels in a display increases, and I doubt anybody over 30 could tell the difference. Moreover, more pixels means more processing overhead and shorter battery life. People do tend to react more favourably to new screens, but my bet is that it is not due to increased dpi, but to enhanced brightness, colour saturation, and contrast.
 
How about waiting to see if Face ID is even what consumers want, as it even failed during the announcement demo. What are the real world implications of having to hold the phone to do something like answer a call or make a payment?

Facial recognition has been a part of many phones and products over the years, and largely consumers have not wanted this feature as a general way to access them. I don't think it's because nobody implemented better then Apple, apparently Apple hasn't even done it that well for their own purposes, but because ultimately even if it takes a fraction of time longer and is a contrived method opposed to a quick slide of your thumb over a sensor, then nobody will opt to use a feature that is "less then" something they are already used to.

If it is easier, quicker and less cumbersome then fingerprint scanning, then sure, get rid of it. But there is a REAL reason why most phones have all opted for finger print unlock vs Facial unlock, because when a technology works well it is adopted quickly.
 
How about a key lock on the side. 2 keys free with iPhone purchase. Extra keys can be copied. Put 1 in magnet key box on your vehicle's steel underframe. put 1 around your neck as a status symbol. put 1 where the sun don't shine. Leave key to your Grandchildren in the will, you might die ! No key, no iPhone. TwStudios
 
Yusss, so this means the regular 8-replacement model will be the reduced bezel X design? Great, I'm in.

I'm on the 7, waited out this year because I didn't want my next iPhone to be 750p, have those bezels again, or be 1500CAD most of all lol
 
They are driving the technology for marketing. This technology will eventually be used by every single CCTV camera on the street to quickly scan for criminals. I have a friend who works for city of New York and does IT and he corroborated that this technology is going to become bigger and bigger soon. This is no coincidence by any means.
 
Seriously? Do you know about the physiology of the visual system?

No, not personally. I am repeating information from studies that have shown 300dpi is not the limit. Again there is no consensus but the range seems to be about 477 to 720, with the study from Sharp showing the limit near 1000.

https://mostly-tech.com/2013/11/08/debunking-the-retina-display-myth/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/what-is/ppi-pixels-per-inch/
https://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

As to whether or not >300dpi is important, or whether battery life is more important... those are subjective opinions. I'm only speaking against the 300dpi "limit", which seems to have been repeatedly debunked.
 
How is that more usable screen? Displacing the screen estate that the notch takes up, to show notifications, does not miraculously "create" more screen estate. It's almost the same as buying a bag of chips, that contains half air, and half chips. If manufacturers replaced all the air in the bag with just chips, it wouldn't magically make the bag bigger. It just means they were more efficient with using up available space.

So if the notch was not there you would have a larger bezel like the S8, the full width of the phone.
Essentially Apple have only made the bezel around a 1/3 (approximately) the size of Samsung’s and used the extra space as screen real estate.
I’m not sure why you can’t see this and I have no idea what you are talking about chips for.
 
Getting used to it or not, it's still an obstruction... You can't really not see it, like someone tall sitting in the row in front at the cinema.

iphoneX_fullscreen_video.png


Aside from Gal Gadot what catches your eye in that image?

Your thumbs and fingers mostly
 
No, not personally. I am repeating information from studies that have shown 300dpi is not the limit. Again there is no consensus but the range seems to be about 477 to 720, with the study from Sharp showing the limit near 1000.

https://mostly-tech.com/2013/11/08/debunking-the-retina-display-myth/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/what-is/ppi-pixels-per-inch/
https://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

As to whether or not >300dpi is important, or whether battery life is more important... those are subjective opinions. I'm only speaking against the 300dpi "limit", which seems to have been repeatedly debunked.
My understanding is that the significance of 300ppi is simply that you can’t discern individual pixels, even with perfect vision, at one foot away. Above 300ppi, however, you can still see increasing levels of smoothness and detail but it is increasingly diminishing returns. The iPhone plus series with their 401ppi screens demonstrate this nicely, put it next to a 326ppi iPhone and there is a noticeable difference. Not huge but you do see it. At 401ppi, that’s probably about the limit of significant difference for an RGB LCD, but for pentile oled, increasing pixel density still helps right out to about 7-800 ppi before you reach the same level of little difference.
 
My understanding is that the significance of 300ppi is simply that you can’t discern individual pixels, even with perfect vision, at one foot away. Above 300ppi, however, you can still see increasing levels of smoothness and detail but it is increasingly diminishing returns. The iPhone plus series with their 401ppi screens demonstrate this nicely, put it next to a 326ppi iPhone and there is a noticeable difference. Not huge but you do see it. At 401ppi, that’s probably about the limit of significant difference for an RGB LCD, but for pentile oled, increasing pixel density still helps right out to about 7-800 ppi before you reach the same level of little difference.

Excellent points. To summarize/paraphrase, picture quality can continue to be noticeably improved even past the point of being able to resolve an individual pixel.
 
I'm done with Apple. I'm moving to Samsung. At least they have a headphone jack and fingerprint scanner

/s
In 2 years or less, they’ll have neither.
[doublepost=1507940490][/doublepost]So many of you are hilarious. Resistant to change and actually defending an inferior security feature like TouchID. The kicker is, literally none of you have any experience with FaceID.

If you’re going to have a silly opinion, at least use the technology before you dismiss it.
 
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