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Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition
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For now. You do realize everybody else will now scramble to put Face ID like tech on their phones. They’ll first try to sell against the iPhones and tell everyone how fingerprint sensors are, until they realize with the security advantage of Face ID, customers will want face ID. I love the fingerprint sensor personally but I know Apple has done Face ID right. I’m skipping this generation. I can only imagine how good Face ID with a years worth of production down and an even faster A12 chip.
If Craig F is holding out the possibility of Touch ID remaining, I’ll take his word over the prognostications of an analyst.
However, if this turns out to be true, I’ll either go all in on Android after my 7 Plus and SE crap out on me or I’ll go back to using my passcode. I just don’t like little beams of infrared dots smacking me in the face all day. I’m sure I won’t even notice or feel it. It’s just the idea of it that I don’t like. That’s good enough reason for me.
But I bet it will work great and everyone who is not a kid or part of a set of identical twins will love it.
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Okay since people can’t seem to accept someone saying they don’t like something “just because” and to stop endless posts saying “Well don’t go outside, then” I will explain why I don’t like it.
First off, I attended a science and technology oriented high school so I am aware of what infrared light is and that it’s a component of sunlight. Just because something is naturally occurring doesn’t mean it can’t be problematic when harnessed for a specific purpose. I didn’t say “harmful”. I said “problematic.”
Here is the simple reason I don’t care to deal with another phone beaming anything at my face:
And my problem is that I had to stop using the Samsung iris scanner because it really hurt. The pain was progressive and cumulative. Now my husband tells me he recently stopped using it, too, because his eyes were starting to feel weird. That’s how it started with me, no pain, just a little twinge of feeling. The pain came gradually over many weeks of use. And once initiated upon each use, it eventually lingered well past the moment needed to unlock my phone.
Most of the infrared beams won’t hit my eyes, but some will. Apple has probably tested their technology much more thoroughly than Samsung did so I doubt I’d feel the beams from the Apple emitter. I just don’t like the idea after what I’ve been through with the Samsung version of it. It won’t kill me to go to Android or use my passcode. If you all want to use this technology, have at it. I don’t and I won’t. Simple.
However, if this turns out to be true, I’ll either go all in on Android after my 7 Plus and SE crap out on me or I’ll go back to using my passcode. I just don’t like little beams of infrared dots smacking me in the face all day. I’m sure I won’t even notice or feel it. It’s just the idea of it that I don’t like. That’s good enough reason for me.
But I bet it will work great and everyone who is not a kid or part of a set of identical twins will love it.
Edit to add:
Okay since people can’t seem to accept someone saying they don’t like something “just because” and to stop endless posts saying “Well don’t go outside, then” I will explain why I don’t like it.
First off, I attended a science and technology oriented high school so I am aware of what infrared light is and that it’s a component of sunlight. Just because something is naturally occurring doesn’t mean it can’t be problematic when harnessed for a specific purpose. I didn’t say “harmful”. I said “problematic.”
Here is the simple reason I don’t care to deal with another phone beaming anything at my face:
And my problem is that I had to stop using the Samsung iris scanner because it really hurt. The pain was progressive and cumulative. Now my husband tells me he recently stopped using it, too, because his eyes were starting to feel weird. That’s how it started with me, no pain, just a little twinge of feeling. The pain came gradually over many weeks of use. And once initiated upon each use, it eventually lingered well past the moment needed to unlock my phone.
Most of the infrared beams won’t hit my eyes, but some will. Apple has probably tested their technology much more thoroughly than Samsung did so I doubt I’d feel the beams from the Apple emitter. I just don’t like the idea after what I’ve been through with the Samsung version of it. It won’t kill me to go to Android or use my passcode. If you all want to use this technology, have at it. I don’t and I won’t. Simple.
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Yes he did, little more than a month before the X was announced....yet again occording to him, something they abandoned 18 months before?
Only if your sunglasses/goggles are IR-opaque. Most are not, and will work just fine with Face ID.
my daughter uses her phone without passcode or touchID..
that's passive.. you pick it up and it's on without you doing anything.
faceID seems to be going for more of that type of feel except the phone/data will be much more secure.
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edit-- actually, you might still have to press the button on her phone to get it to open.. i'll check in a little bit..
so even in this example of no security but needing to press the button, faceID will still be more fluid than that method. (at least, i'm mostly guessing it will.. though also loosely based on some user experience i read about faceID )
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Right. Because people use Touch ID and subsequently seldom actually look at the phone.
It's not about FaceID or TouchID. That's mice nuts...
It's about developing technologies that further Apple's aggressive push into AR. TouchID does absolutely nothing towards helping with that goal.
FaceID, the front-facing depth-sensing 3D camera, and its incremental improvements and ultimate home on the back of the iPhone, does.
It's about developing technologies that further Apple's aggressive push into AR. TouchID does absolutely nothing towards helping with that goal.
FaceID, the front-facing depth-sensing 3D camera, and its incremental improvements and ultimate home on the back of the iPhone, does.
Apple doesn't develop display technology. Samsung does. It's the display itself and the manufacturing processes that need to be developed to have any kind of sensors under it - fingerprint, IR, cameras, ultrasonic, etc.
Apple could not develop any kind of under-display TouchID without developing it with Samsung - since Samsung are the only company in the world with the manufacturing capacity to product the OLED iPhone screens.
Samsung will continue to develop their displays to be capable of under-display sensors.
Salty delicious tears like this is the main reason I click on the headlines so I can read the top comments.
Apple please DO NOT get rid of Touch ID…I live in a state where a person CANNOT even touch your phone while in the car, let alone having to pick it up, and full on divert one’s eyes away from the road to make eye contact with a phone (that is waiting for you to "look" at it).
Right now Touch ID works wonderfully, because I get in my 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring and put the iPhone down in the tray…and without having to look at the phone a person can just press the Touch ID and Siri wakes up through the BlueTooth and everything can be done through voice. And it’s not like we have old cars, we have four (4) Honda vehicles (all 2015 or newer and only one has Apple CarPlay). I can even say "Hey Siri" but sometimes it wants the code or Touch ID…and if Face ID is the only option…then we are talking about a $300 ticket. And you can bet that more states will follow suit. So if anything, have both Touch ID when it sense it’s in a car, and Face ID when at McDonald’s. ;-)
Right now Touch ID works wonderfully, because I get in my 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring and put the iPhone down in the tray…and without having to look at the phone a person can just press the Touch ID and Siri wakes up through the BlueTooth and everything can be done through voice. And it’s not like we have old cars, we have four (4) Honda vehicles (all 2015 or newer and only one has Apple CarPlay). I can even say "Hey Siri" but sometimes it wants the code or Touch ID…and if Face ID is the only option…then we are talking about a $300 ticket. And you can bet that more states will follow suit. So if anything, have both Touch ID when it sense it’s in a car, and Face ID when at McDonald’s. ;-)
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Yeah right, get used to it
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Can you just try the feature out instead of jumping to conclusions?
Not necessarily, I think there are a lot of people who would be happy with a bezelless screen on an SE size phone. They could probably either make the screen size a bit bigger in the current form factor or possibly even shrink it down to the current 4" screen with no bezels.
That ain't Sammy's way. There's no way a flagship Sammy is only going to have 1 unlock feature. Iris Scanner, under screen FP Sensor, 3D Faciai Rec, and as always a passcode. They are going to offer it all. As they always do. It's what Sammy users expect. Choice.
What a massively inaccurate statement. Are you going to complain again when Face ID is replaced by Brain ID (security methodology using a person’s unique brainwave analytics)?
99% of Apple customers will accept the new methodology in 1-2 years.
There is just nothing wrong with TouchID.
Why is FaceID superior? I still don't get it.
Why is FaceID superior? I still don't get it.
As Craig Federighi said, FaceID becomes frictionless, and transparent, while authenticating. That will be its end-state, I have no doubts.
However, as all first generation products, I expect FaceID Release 1.0 to produce a non-trivial number of false negatives, and fail to authenticate under certain use cases. That happened with TouchID 1.0 and I expect the same with FaceID.
It is just the nature of complex systems.
The one functionality that is sorely missing with FaceID, as described, is its single-user authentication model: one face, one user.
For multi-user use cases, like iPads and Macs, this needs to change. So, I expect that FaceID Release 2.0 to allow authentication of several faces before it can be applied to multi-user/family use cases.
Just my point of view.
However, as all first generation products, I expect FaceID Release 1.0 to produce a non-trivial number of false negatives, and fail to authenticate under certain use cases. That happened with TouchID 1.0 and I expect the same with FaceID.
It is just the nature of complex systems.
The one functionality that is sorely missing with FaceID, as described, is its single-user authentication model: one face, one user.
For multi-user use cases, like iPads and Macs, this needs to change. So, I expect that FaceID Release 2.0 to allow authentication of several faces before it can be applied to multi-user/family use cases.
Just my point of view.
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