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Kuo: All iPhone Models in 2018 Likely to Abandon Fingerprint Recognition

"Face ID, says Kuo, will continue to be a major selling point of the new iPhone models in 2018"
- the only selling point is because touch id doesn't exist, the screen can be larger.
 
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deanthedev said:
Of course. Apple has made it clear this is the way forward. Why would anyone doubt them?
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Because individual users online who specialize in flipping burgers and other various jobs think they know better than a multi billion dollar world changing company.

They comment. They complain. Then they adjust. Get used to it. Then love it. Then look for the next thing to complain about. The usual cycle
 
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It's too bad they couldn't have just had both, but I guess they couldn't figure out the underscreen scanner. I hope other companies don't just copy Apple and quit pursuing it
 
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Carlanga said:
But when did we have iPhones w 3.5" floppy drives?
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oh around 1985_ish..

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wikiverse said:
Apple doesn't develop display technology. Samsung does. It's the display itself and the manufacturing processes that need to be developed to have any kind of sensors under it - fingerprint, IR, cameras, ultrasonic, etc.

Apple could not develop any kind of under-display TouchID without developing it with Samsung - since Samsung are the only company in the world with the manufacturing capacity to product the OLED iPhone screens.

Samsung will continue to develop their displays to be capable of under-display sensors.
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You’re comment is misleading. Samsung does develop display technology used in iPhones, however Apple does not need Samsung to develop under display Touch ID. The point is they are not the only one who can make OLED displays for phones.
 
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I can see why removing Touch ID will help as its more hardware space being released,they are constantly looking at reducing hardware components, i trust Apple to get face ID working reasonably well enough.

also I've noticed in the last 2-3 days when on the lock screen if i touch a notification. or in an app where I've enabled Touch ID as an extra layer of security, i get the pop up to authenticate with touch ID, if Face ID is on it will authenticate without any input from the user, so that's either great or scary for some people.

one other point is Face ID has 2 levels of security or authentication, a quote from the interview with Federighi, "if it can’t see your eyes you can just turn off the ‘attention detection’ feature. You still get Face ID, but at a lower level of overall security because it’s not ensuring that your eyes are directly focused on it"
so that's a lower level, which i think is the shape of the nose and mouth only, maybe the sockets of the eyes but not open eye detection.
link to interview
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/15/craig-federighi-face-id-interview/


I'm personally really looking forward to Face ID, its the future for authentication for many devices, ranging from cars to bank ATM's and anything else you can think of.
 
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As you get older and browse forums like this for over a decade, you see the same thing happen every single time. I personally was wrong as hell about the iPad “just being an oversized iPad touch” and was also wrong about the Apple Watch being a redundant stupid device.

Some of you panning face id before even trying it have been wrong on other things before too. Only difference between you and me? I remember what it was like to be wrong and the feeling the swept over me when I realize it each and every time. And realizing why I was wrong was because I wasn’t used to a certain idea and living with it on a daily basis and jumping I conclusions just based on using my imagination.

I remember when Touch ID first came out and everyone and their mother were complaining about it and saying “what if a robber cuts off your finger” or “ohhh look at the government getting our fingerprints now!” Or even better “why do we need it? I’d rather just open my phone. It’s always by me anyway. I don’t need a passcode”

Then over time all of those opinions changed and now we hold Touch ID in high regard. Face ID expands on apples vision of simplicity. What could be simpler than just having a face and looking at your damn phone? Nothing. No wet fingers to worry about. No greasy hands. No worrying about gloves. AND improved security over Touch ID. Did we forget face ID is a more foolproof method of locking your device?? How is that not relevant in this conversation?
 
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clive27 said:
Two ways I think FaceID can be better than TouchID.
1. Of course, unlock when your finger is wet.
2. While driving with my phone in car holder, I can call Siri with commands that only work with the phone unlocked (check reminder, email, search web, etc). Before, I had to carefully put my finger to the TouchID. Now, I can just keep driving and just glance over to the phone for it to unlock.

Of course, there are more benefits to using TouchID, but I'd give FaceID a try before ditching it.
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Finally someone talking about the benefits of face ID. You’re like a unicorn.
 
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GrumpyMom said:
If Craig F is holding out the possibility of Touch ID remaining, I’ll take his word over the prognostications of an analyst.

However, if this turns out to be true, I’ll either go all in on Android after my 7 Plus and SE crap out on me or I’ll go back to using my passcode. I just don’t like little beams of infrared dots smacking me in the face all day. I’m sure I won’t even notice or feel it. It’s just the idea of it that I don’t like. That’s good enough reason for me.
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well, maybe don't go outside during the day.
there's more infrared light in sunlight than visible light.

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edit- oops.. i see others have said similar before me.
i'm not trying to gang up on you @GrumpyMom..
sorry if it seems that way.
 
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So much for having Touch ID built into the display. Guess I’ll be holding on to my 8 plus for as long as possible.
 
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I expect that if Apple had gone with Touch ID under the screen, some people would still be complaining.

  • The fingerprint sensor would likely have only worked in a particular location on the screen, so when it was active, that fingerprint-sized part of the screen would not have been usable by applications.
  • Apple would have had to decide whether to make that location tactile so those people commenting here on this article who say they unlock their phones before they look at the screen could find the spot. This divot in the screen would be be at least as controversial as the notch, since it would distort images and video.
  • If Apple chose not to make the location tactile, then many people would have to look at their phones to find the highlighted spot. Yeah, this would be controversial, too, as it would cause some people to get tickets for looking at their phones while driving.
  • They could have left the chin and the forehead on the phone, like the current iPhone models, because except for those who have been begging for a full-screen iPhone, no one has been asking for a full-screen iPhone.
I know that many of these complaints would have been made, because they were made, back when people expected the tenth anniversary iPhone (remember when we thought it would be called the iPhone 8) to have a fingerprint sensor behind the screen.
 
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Hastings101 said:
It's too bad they couldn't have just had both, but I guess they couldn't figure out the underscreen scanner. I hope other companies don't just copy Apple and quit pursuing it
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Reports by those in a position to actually know say that underscreen TouchID was dropped over a year ago, after they got FaceID working.

Not sure why Samsung didn’t just use that bottom bezel for their fingerprint scanner instead of putting it on the back. Seems like it’s a better location, maybe that area is already used by other parts.
 
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nfl46 said:
I'm done with Apple. I'm moving to Samsung. At least they have a headphone jack and fingerprint scanner

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Not for much longer, they won’t. For the record, I am a huge fan of TouchID and sorry to see it’s imminent demise
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flat five said:
you don't think Apple could put touchID under screen?

also, just btw.. as a user experience, touchID under screen isn't any different than touchID as it is today.. you might not have the bezel at the bottom or a hole in the display but that would be the feature.. the fingerprint sensor wouldn't be anything new or wow..

not really sure why some people are so hyped up about touchID under display.. like, when you use it, do you think you'd be like "wow, this is so awesome.. way better than before!" ... or would it be like "hmm.. pretty much the same thing as i've been doing for the past few years"..

point being -- touchID button = touchID under display
(imo)

or- what, exactly, is there to gain from touchID under screen?
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I think the point is that TouchID under glass would allow a phone without bezels. You must know this....
 
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