Kuo: All Three iPhones Coming in 2020 Will Support 5G

apolloa

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They can keep that mmWave tech well well well away from me thanks! As I’m a rural area hopefully that’ll be true too and if 5G ever came to my area it would be the slower version. Although I’d rather not have any 5G near me.

No mention of the new SE that Koh has previously rumoured then? Hmm... still The guy has been wrong a few times recently.
 
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Mactendo

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How this:
We now believe that all three new 2H20 iPhone models will support 5G for the following reasons. (1) Apple has more resource for developing the 5G iPhone after the acquisition of Intel baseband business.
connects with this?
Apple is planning to use modem chips from Qualcomm in its 2020 5G iPhone lineup, despite its recent acquisition of Intel's smartphone modem chip business.
If it’s going to use modem chips from Qualcomm then how acquisition of Intel modem business affects the development of 2020 iPhone?
 
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apolloa

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You don’t see any small screened Android phones either.There just isn’t a big enough market for them.
Wrong, it’s that second hand or new older iPhone market that’s currently happily flooded by all those iPhone 5’s, SE’s, 6, 6S’s, 7’s, 8’s... I see loads of them around still. It’s a bigger market then you think, Apple is just trying to force people to spend more money on bigger devices if they upgrade, so it makes more profit.
 
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It is infuriating me that Apple only offers phablets and no decent sized small iPhone, regardless of being a budget or high end phone.

Apple execs are living in their own world, their reality distortion field, not realizing that there are people in this word, who think, that smartphones aren’t that important in their lives. They don’t want to carry bricks around.
Unfortunately there is not enough of those people. Most people want big phones.
 

currentinterest

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The 5.4 inch phone will be Apple’s biggest seller ever. Everyone in my family wants this phone. I have the 5.8 inch and it is simply too thick and too heavy for my taste. I went to it from a 7 plus. I want the top features in a smaller footprint. I will likely upgrade to one more 5.8 inch this year while waiting for the 5.4 inch, however.
 

now i see it

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And this (5G) will basically be beta hardware never used on a mass scale before. If people think they've got connectivity problems now using the current Intel modems on the current phones with "old established 4G", just wait for the fireworks to begin when beta hardware meets beta software provided by beta infrastructure.

The 2021 iPhone really is the one to get after the 2020 experiment passes.
26 more months to go....
 
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So basically, there is no reason to upgrade to the 2019 iPhones... unless you want the camera.

I’ll be fine with my iPhone 7 Plus for another year. And I’m also fine with Apple putting their focus on iOS. Lots of good things to look forward to with 13.

But if the rumors are accurate, then I won’t be upgrading my hardware until 2020.
I think that’s the general consensus.

I’m sure Apple will make much ado about the improved camera in the 2019 model at the keynote.

But, if you can hold off another year, 2020 seems like he year to upgrade.

And if you don’t need the extra lens and can’t hold off, I think a discounted XS might be the better buy.
 

Michael CM1

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How do you refute the people that claim 5G needs more study on possible health impacts?
Ask them their source for this information on possible health effects. Then ask them why they think they know more than the FCC and experts on such things.

The fears are mostly borne from people thinking tinfoil hat websites are trustworthy and others who don't know how to read scientific material.
 

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RE: "(3) Boosting 5G developments could benefit Apple's AR ecosystem."

Make NO mistake, lack of RAM is what's "currently" holding it back !

Neither the X or the XR, Apple's two most popular iPhones that past two years, has a sufficient amount of DRAM !

The problem occurred because neither Tim Cook, Phil Schiller, OR Jeff Williams has ANY software development experience ! ... BIG FAT ZERO for ALL three !
 

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There is no need to refute nonsense.

5G, just like all cellular tech before it, uses NON-IONIZING radiation. It has no effect on living tissues.

Dangerous radiation is IONIZING radiation. In order to get there you have to go to MUCH shorter wavelengths, through even the entire visible light spectrum until you get to ultraviolet. 6GHz is not even close to infrared light, which is still harmless. IR starts at 300GHz!
From Wikipedia:

Non-ionizing radiation can produce non-mutagenic effects such as inciting thermal energy in biological tissue that can lead to burns. In 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) from the World Health Organization (WHO) released a statement adding radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (including microwave and millimeter waves) to their list of things which are possibly carcinogenic to humans.[3]

Constant heating/inflammation of cells can lead to cancer.
 

TrenttonY

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I can’t see the point of 5G (at least with my usage). Do people really download 2 gig apps, or movies on the go?

YouTube, Twitter, etc all work fine when using tru 4G (which is almost everywhere)

The battery reduction is a big trade off that I don’t think most people will be willing to make.
 

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In fairness, we usually know about any key innovations by now. Certainly from a hardware point of view.
All we have this year is a camera upgrade. And a few bits n bobs like the bilateral wireless charging and WiFi 6.
So it seems likely they'll focus on photography in the keynote, and perhaps AR again, with a faster processor, etc.
None of that is particularly innovative.
There is a different between Innovation and Invention. ( I think most people misunderstood what innovation really meant )

Well, ( From my previous post #287 ) I am betting this year's iPhone will be all new Spec and Internal upgrade. From components to materials made from / with Recyclable products. New CPU uArch, GPU, NPU, Modem, Antenna, Faster RAM, NAND, Bigger Battery, New Speaker System, Improved OLED, Faster Charging, Biggest CMOS Sensor on Smartphones, Triple Lens, Face ID 2.0, New Haptic Engine ( I said this even before the rumours of Revamped Taptic Engine started ), WiFi, Bluetooth 5.1, Improved NFC, Better Camera Flash Light, Better Selfie Camera, Better Harden Top Glass, New Glass Material on the back, New Coating on the Front Glass, and starts at 128GB.

I could see Apple has a slogan " It might looks the similar, but everything is different ). To me, that is a lot of innovation.

Basically Apple is now working on 3 year cadence, and all the finishing touch on tech always falls on last generation of that design.

And it goes back to 5G, Apple might not need to have 5G in 2020 to compete, but 5G ( especially with mmWave ) will have new constraint and will require new design to accommodate. So the next design will start another cycle, people likely complain 5G is a little wonky, got improved in 2021 model, and polish made in 2022.

Let's call this a Design, Improvement and Polish cycle. Which really is just iteration, as Apple has been doing even fore the iPhone era.
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Please Apple! Wait until 5G chips consumes as little or less power than current 4G chips.

Noone ever requested gigabit cellular. Save our batteries!
 
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Basically Apple is now working on 3 year cadence, and all the finishing touch on tech always falls last generation of that design. And it goes back to 5G, Apple might not need to have 5G in 2020 to complete, but 5G ( especially with mmWave ) will have new constraint and will require new design to accommodate. So the next design will start another cycle, people likely complain 5G is a little wonky, got improved in 2021 model, and polish made in 2022. Let's call this a Design, Improvement and Polish cycle. Which really is just iteration, as Apple has been doing even fore the iPhone era.
Exactly. That‘s why the „smart money“ buys on the 2nd or 3rd leg of the cycle, i.e. 2019 or 2021/22.
 
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From Wikipedia:

Non-ionizing radiation can produce non-mutagenic effects such as inciting thermal energy in biological tissue that can lead to burns. In 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) from the World Health Organization (WHO) released a statement adding radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (including microwave and millimeter waves) to their list of things which are possibly carcinogenic to humans.[3]

Constant heating/inflammation of cells can lead to cancer.
But, what everyone failed to realize, that it was all based on quack/fake science. It has been proven many times over that human skin blocks all of these waves. It’s an insulation effect that ensures humans thrive. Other animals, not so sure but humans always seem to only care about the top of the pyramid anyways.

I think the future will show us there were many other things far more damaging to humans than a millimeter wave. Food preservatives, artificial sweeteners, all sorts of cleaning products, fertilizers, and probably human water supplies contaminated by farm companies using chemicals that do not belong in nature nor on our food or passed down to our water supplies, but makes them more money.

I do indeed most look forward to eliminating this God awful unsightly notch. It doesn’t belong on an iPhone or any screen we have to look at. Symmetry is what makes things in life beautiful. And this iPhone XS Max is damn ugly! I will take removal of the notch with a full-screen display or even a hole-punch display over this monstrosity.

Linus from Linus Tech Tips has it all figured out and so does the guy from Zone of Tech. Both of those guys know how badly Apple is failing us all. And it’s at almost every level.

I think there needs to be an innovative/creative type that’s the “leader” of all things product hardware or software development to ensure Apple makes good choices. As someone pointed out, the top three brass at Apple have no software experience or knowledge. That’s sad. And now that both Jobs and Ive have left, there’s not much to look forward to. No creative type that isn’t only thinking about money. If they build great products, the money will come. I am considering dumping the whole ecosystem and moving to Samsung. Something I never thought I would say. I do like my iPad and AirPods. Otherwise, other companies are innovating and Apple is just left in the dust. Old analogy about business and IBM, Apple is becoming like a dinosaur; kick it in the tail and it takes a few years to move up the supply chain and the tiny minded brain of the dinosaur to feel it in the head. Apple is the dinosaur. They’re just banking as much as they can out of the iPhone. The executives are doing anything to raise the stock price and maximize their options. It’s a sad thing to witness. Apple has lost its way, and it will take many years to recover from all the messed up decisions made right now to maximize money. This is why executives should earn their pay over decades to see what they truly did to the company now how their great/poor decisions impacted a few quarters or years.

End of rant. Let the flames begin as Apple cannot innovate anymore my ass. Bring back the six-colored Apple logo and make the Mac Pro like it used to be. Charge $999 for a stand made from $2 worth of aluminum. Sad.
 

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There is a different between Innovation and Invention. ( I think most people misunderstood what innovation really meant )

Well, ( From my previous post #287 ) I am betting this year's iPhone will be all new Spec and Internal upgrade. From components to materials made from / with Recyclable products. New CPU uArch, GPU, NPU, Modem, Antenna, Faster RAM, NAND, Bigger Battery, New Speaker System, Improved OLED, Faster Charging, Biggest CMOS Sensor on Smartphones, Triple Lens, Face ID 2.0, New Haptic Engine ( I said this even before the rumours of Revamped Taptic Engine started ), WiFi, Bluetooth 5.1, Improved NFC, Better Camera Flash Light, Better Selfie Camera, Better Harden Top Glass, New Glass Material on the back, New Coating on the Front Glass, and starts at 128GB.

I could see Apple has a slogan " It might looks the similar, but everything is different ). To me, that is a lot of innovation.

Basically Apple is now working on 3 year cadence, and all the finishing touch on tech always falls last generation of that design.

And it goes back to 5G, Apple might not need to have 5G in 2020 to complete, but 5G ( especially with mmWave ) will have new constraint and will require new design to accommodate. So the next design will start another cycle, people likely complain 5G is a little wonky, got improved in 2021 model, and polish made in 2022.

Let's call this a Design, Improvement and Polish cycle. Which really is just iteration, as Apple has been doing even fore the iPhone era.
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"Basically Apple is now working on 3 year cadence, and all the finishing touch on tech always falls last generation of that design."

Great point. You convinced me to get a 2019 iPhone XR LOL
 
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RE: "(3) Boosting 5G developments could benefit Apple's AR ecosystem."

Make NO mistake, lack of RAM is what's "currently" holding it back !

Neither the X or the XR, Apple's two most popular iPhones that past two years, has a sufficient amount of DRAM !

The problem occurred because neither Tim Cook, Phil Schiller, OR Jeff Williams has ANY software development experience ! ... BIG FAT ZERO for ALL three !
Huh. That is weird. My iPhone X and XS max seem to have enough ram.
 

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And this (5G) will basically be beta hardware never used on a mass scale before. If people think they've got connectivity problems now using the current Intel modems on the current phones with "old established 4G", just wait for the fireworks to begin when beta hardware meets beta software provided by beta infrastructure.

The 2021 iPhone really is the one to get after the 2020 experiment passes.
26 more months months to go....
Maybe in the US. The rest of the world is rolling out 5G at a fast pace. Major UK cities have it already. With the networks starting to be used from August. I am sure there are many other countries that are far ahead with the roll out of 5G technology.
 

SomeSoftwareGuy

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There is no need to refute nonsense.

5G, just like all cellular tech before it, uses NON-IONIZING radiation. It has no effect on living tissues.

Dangerous radiation is IONIZING radiation. In order to get there you have to go to MUCH shorter wavelengths, through even the entire visible light spectrum until you get to ultraviolet. 6GHz is not even close to infrared light, which is still harmless. IR starts at 300GHz!

Stop being overly paranoid and trust the science.
Thank you for this reply, I didn't know anything about this before you posted it. I appreciate the knowledge drop! seriously.