Pocket size in fact is a key consideration for me before I move to select any phone. The same goes for the iPad mini that fits perfectly into jackets.
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Kuo: Apple to Cancel or Postpone 2024 iPhone SE 4
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I mean obviously cheaper for them, and keeps case manufacturers happy who can just slap a sticker on it “ready for SE 2024” - and it’s a great “fleet phone”.
I have a 12 mini. Didn’t get a 13 mini because I was waiting for the 14 mini which never materialized.
Now I was holding on to hope that the mini would become the SE.
Only compared to the 1st gen SE from 2016.
iPhone minis are actually physically more compact than the 2020/2022 iPhone SE, despite having a bigger 5.4” display.
I’m sorry to hear about your mother. You have my sympathies and condolences.
I believe the $30 increase was directly attributed to the 5G chip. Also consider the fact that inflation had been running hot during that time.
Apple doesn’t report iPhone units sold — just gross revenue.
LOVE MINE. Noticeably heavier than the 12 mini and certainly heavier than any iPod touch but it delivers.
The SE doesn’t sell well as it’s a very very old design. The mini didn’t sell well (by Apples standards own set standards as it still sold in the millions), because Apple believed the hype for a smaller device. The XR size is the best selling size, 6.1” all screen.
What Koh really means, if he’s right as he doesn’t always get these things right, then Apple wants to push you to its higher priced models. Hence the rumours it will place even more features on the Pro models over the standard ones next year.
Personally I’d grab a Mini or XR / 11 whilst you still can new.
What Koh really means, if he’s right as he doesn’t always get these things right, then Apple wants to push you to its higher priced models. Hence the rumours it will place even more features on the Pro models over the standard ones next year.
Personally I’d grab a Mini or XR / 11 whilst you still can new.
I don't think swissmann meant that the front camera would be removed. The iPhone 13 mini has a dual lens back camera setup. If Apple turns the iPhone 13 mini into a new SE4 then one way to reduce the cost (and price) is to swap this dual camera setup for a single camera setup.
I like swissmann's basic idea. Here's how I'd do it. Take the iPhone 13 mini and do the following to make the 2024 SE4:
1. As mentioned, reduce the back camera to a single lens setup. Adjust the case size so the camera lens sits flush, and expand the battery capacity. (So it'll be a little thicker than the iPhone 13 mini.) Make the case/camera lens mounting less premium (cost reduction).
2. Remove Face ID and replace with switch-based Touch ID (like the current iPad mini and new base iPad). Adjust the size of the "notch" to compensate.
3. Remove mmWave and UWB support.
4. Bump the internals to an A16 processor (2022 "Pro" flagship but in 2024), probably underclocked compared to 2022 flagships for thermal and battery reasons. Possibly 6GB RAM but at least 4GB.
5. 128GB storage only, 2 or 3 colors only.
6. USB-C connector with USB 2.0 transfer speeds. (EU conformance.)
7. Probably keep the OLED display and 60 Hz refresh rate. That's not really a premium part any more. But if there's a suitable 60 or 90 Hz LCD, OK.
8. Obviously no in-box accessories except in countries that require them.
U.S. full retail price: $449
First of all, SE 4? I didn’t even remember there being a 3. Second of all, speculations about 2024? Do you know how many of us might be dead by then?
I’m going to be stuck with my 12 mini for years I imagine… hopefully small phones get retro cool one day and they bring the design back
I wonder if by 2024, the plain iPhone 14 will be the ‘new’ SE?
Easy to repair, good basic feature set.
I could see it - possibly - being at $600 then.
Maybe it could even get to $500-550 if Apple made an ‘14 SE’ version in:
And if you want a cheaper iPhone, there is a massive 3rd party refurb market.
Easy to repair, good basic feature set.
I could see it - possibly - being at $600 then.
Maybe it could even get to $500-550 if Apple made an ‘14 SE’ version in:
- Just a few colours
- Lost the satellite & crash detection functionality
- Plus only 64GB of SSD (although that would be pushing it in 2024).
And if you want a cheaper iPhone, there is a massive 3rd party refurb market.
Waiting for the “magic” iPhone $E4
I buy, in mid february 2023, the Samsung’s Galaxy A54
Specs:
Display: 6.4-inch Super AMOLED, 120Hz Refresh Rate, 2400 x 1080 Resolution
SoC: Exynos 1380
Memory & Storage: 6/8GB & 128/256GB, MicroSD slot
Software: One UI 5.0 (Android 13)
Security: Optical fingerprint sensor (under display)
Rear cameras: 50MP (primary)
8MP (secondary, ultrawide)
5MP (macro)
Front camera: 32MP
SIM: dual nanoSIM
Connectivity: 5G (Sub 6GHz, mmWave)
Bluetooth 5.3
Port: USB Type-C
Water Resistance: IP67
Battery & Charging: 5,000 mAh & 25W Wired charging
Sweet dreams, Apple!
I buy, in mid february 2023, the Samsung’s Galaxy A54
Specs:
Display: 6.4-inch Super AMOLED, 120Hz Refresh Rate, 2400 x 1080 Resolution
SoC: Exynos 1380
Memory & Storage: 6/8GB & 128/256GB, MicroSD slot
Software: One UI 5.0 (Android 13)
Security: Optical fingerprint sensor (under display)
Rear cameras: 50MP (primary)
8MP (secondary, ultrawide)
5MP (macro)
Front camera: 32MP
SIM: dual nanoSIM
Connectivity: 5G (Sub 6GHz, mmWave)
Bluetooth 5.3
Port: USB Type-C
Water Resistance: IP67
Battery & Charging: 5,000 mAh & 25W Wired charging
Sweet dreams, Apple!
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TBH the current SE looks on paper (and on Apple’s website’s comparison section) barely distinguishable from my 7 year old iPhone 6S, just with a faster processor. So it’s hardly a compelling or exciting buy if you’re in the market for a mid to low priced phone.
Or am I wrong?
Or am I wrong?
Oh my God! An iPhone with 2014 aesthetics for 550 euros doesn´t sell, why?
Apple is playing at stretching the bubble gum further and further.
The iPhone 14/14 Plus is not selling because it is a tiny change from the 13. It just has fewer changes than an iPhone "S".
The SE3 doesn't sell because it has a design that is completely obsolete and out of the market in 2022. Yes, it has a good processor and 5G and all you want, but it's small and aesthetically outdated.
You add that to the huge and disproportionate markups in some cases for products outside the US.
But nothing, let's focus on selling the 14 Pro/14 Pro Max, will it work next year? I wouldn't be so sure, if on top of that the 15 "Ultra" is going to be much more expensive, we'll see if it works well or people get fed up with these tactics.
They still need an "entry level" range. And neither the SE nor the iPhone 14 are attractive products (that's why the iPhone 13 sells more, because nobody appreciates the minimal changes that the 14 has).
The iPhone SE4, with an iPhone Xr design, with A15, 5G a slight improvement in the camera (hardware and software) and a battery that lasts a day and a half/two days in normal use, would be a sales hit and would appeal to a lot more people. But selling rehashes continuously without giving anything new and with outdated complemtante designs are not going to attract anyone or motivate existing users to change their iPhone.
Apple is playing at stretching the bubble gum further and further.
The iPhone 14/14 Plus is not selling because it is a tiny change from the 13. It just has fewer changes than an iPhone "S".
The SE3 doesn't sell because it has a design that is completely obsolete and out of the market in 2022. Yes, it has a good processor and 5G and all you want, but it's small and aesthetically outdated.
You add that to the huge and disproportionate markups in some cases for products outside the US.
But nothing, let's focus on selling the 14 Pro/14 Pro Max, will it work next year? I wouldn't be so sure, if on top of that the 15 "Ultra" is going to be much more expensive, we'll see if it works well or people get fed up with these tactics.
They still need an "entry level" range. And neither the SE nor the iPhone 14 are attractive products (that's why the iPhone 13 sells more, because nobody appreciates the minimal changes that the 14 has).
The iPhone SE4, with an iPhone Xr design, with A15, 5G a slight improvement in the camera (hardware and software) and a battery that lasts a day and a half/two days in normal use, would be a sales hit and would appeal to a lot more people. But selling rehashes continuously without giving anything new and with outdated complemtante designs are not going to attract anyone or motivate existing users to change their iPhone.
I'm on the SE-2. The way too quickly released SE-3 upgrade just doesn't make sense for those who bought the SE-2.Yes, it's a bit faster. Yes the camera is a bit better. I don't care about either. The SE-2 is doing a marvellous job for my purpose: a business phone. I'd have bought the SE-3 if my SE-2 broke down. It didn't. The battery of my SE-2 is aging now, guess replacement is in order. Still, no reason to buy the SE-3.
But, I have to look forward. If Apple decides to abandon the smaller phones entirely, then I guess I just need to get myself the latest small one. That would be the 13 mini I guess.
Apple just doesn't seem to understand the target group using smaller phones like those SE phones or the minis. That's an entirely different market than those of the larger phones which I (tongue-in-cheek) refer to as fashion phones. It amazes me no one at Apple apparantly prefers those smaller phones and fights for them.
But, I have to look forward. If Apple decides to abandon the smaller phones entirely, then I guess I just need to get myself the latest small one. That would be the 13 mini I guess.
Apple just doesn't seem to understand the target group using smaller phones like those SE phones or the minis. That's an entirely different market than those of the larger phones which I (tongue-in-cheek) refer to as fashion phones. It amazes me no one at Apple apparantly prefers those smaller phones and fights for them.
Maybe most people are more about prestige than functionality? With a big phone you are seen and can impress everybody to own the biggest most expensive and such.
Maybe a bit like cars? Small cars -to me- are way more functional concerning efficiency, cost and parking but people buy monster SUVs to bring the kids to school.
I like my SE3 for being low profile and not so expensive. I use it all the time and don't want to lose like 1k bucks if it falls down, gets lost, stolen or similar. It's a tool not an ego thing.
Maybe a bit like cars? Small cars -to me- are way more functional concerning efficiency, cost and parking but people buy monster SUVs to bring the kids to school.
I like my SE3 for being low profile and not so expensive. I use it all the time and don't want to lose like 1k bucks if it falls down, gets lost, stolen or similar. It's a tool not an ego thing.
My father is the typical SE user, he likes Apple’s approach to privacy and wants to have a fast SOC, but doesn’t care overmuch for the latest camera or screen, and doesn’t want to pay more than 500 euros while his phone is supposed to last him a good few years.
I think buyers in this segment are not really after an ‘exciting’ purchase, they are more utilitarian. Cost is most important, durability and performance come second. However it has to be said that in the Android space you can get a higher specification phone for the money.
For my father’s next phone, which he will probably buy when his iPhone SE stops getting updates, I honestly don’t know whether he will get an upgraded SE or a Galaxy A-series. If his device gets a big enough jump from his current phone, he might stick with Apple, he’d love some more battery life.
I think buyers in this segment are not really after an ‘exciting’ purchase, they are more utilitarian. Cost is most important, durability and performance come second. However it has to be said that in the Android space you can get a higher specification phone for the money.
For my father’s next phone, which he will probably buy when his iPhone SE stops getting updates, I honestly don’t know whether he will get an upgraded SE or a Galaxy A-series. If his device gets a big enough jump from his current phone, he might stick with Apple, he’d love some more battery life.
He’s close to supply chain and Apple orders are made way in advance. He’s highly reliable and has made lot of exact analysis one year in advance.
Apple seems to be gradually abandoning the $300-$500 segment, which is what I like to spend on phones and tablets. So I've decided to give Android another try (I last used 5-6 years ago).
Recently bought a Pixel 6A very happy with it (coming from iPhone SE). I would say the software experience is overall as refined as iOS.
Also recently bought a Galaxy Tab S8 (coming from iPad 6th gen). Its good but I'm not as instantly won over by it as I am with the the Pixel phone (but have only been using a few days). Will see how I get on over a few weeks, and will be interesting to see the Pixel tablet when released next year.
Recently bought a Pixel 6A very happy with it (coming from iPhone SE). I would say the software experience is overall as refined as iOS.
Also recently bought a Galaxy Tab S8 (coming from iPad 6th gen). Its good but I'm not as instantly won over by it as I am with the the Pixel phone (but have only been using a few days). Will see how I get on over a few weeks, and will be interesting to see the Pixel tablet when released next year.
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Would be awesome, but probably quite expensive for Apple’s liking, as the manufacturing and component costs of 13 mini must still be quite high?
Hold on, they did add 5G, the latest A15 chip = 2 extra hours of battery life to it, though. I personally would pay $30 extra for those improvements.
IMO this has very little to do with courage and quite a bit with Apple’s desired profit margins. Technically this is totally doable, as iPhone 13 mini production lines are still running.