Kuo: Apple to Launch 'iPhone SE 2' in Early 2020 With Similar Design as iPhone 8, A13 Chip, and 3GB RAM

[profets]

I believe the 8 Series will be discontinued to be succeded by this new “SE” model and perhaps the Xr too... The lineup will be conformed by the SE at $499, 11 $699 & 11 Pro $999.
Time will tell.

If this did happen, it could almost lead to the end of numbers in the iPhone name. iPhone SE, iPhone, iPhone Pro?

 

[sonicrobby]

Ugh iPhone 8 form factor...

 

[theapplehead]

So if it's fashioned at all after the original SE will it have a headphone jack?

 

[neoelectronaut]

As usual the small phone brigade are complaining completely forgetting that a flagship 5.4 device is launching next year.

The iPhone X is 5.8". Your rumored new device isn't even a half-inch smaller than that.

 

[Juicy Box]

The 3 year olds of the world will be happy. A baby sized phone for a baby.

The people with tiny burger king commercial hands finally have a reason to live.

I have normal sized hands, and prefer the smaller sized phones....

Don't get me wrong, I don't want a 5.5" or 6" phone, but the iPhone is just too small now. I think 4.7" is perfect.

I need a 6.5” version

Interesting...

What is your obsession with hand size????

This is just a few of many posts (there are many pages of results) mentioning hand size and/or accusing people of having baby-sized hands:

your hands are just too small. You'll grow one day

If you have tiny hands, sure.

For baby hands.

Anytime I see someone say the 5/5S is already too big, I picture a tiny girl, or a midget.

Not all of us have hands the size of a 4 year old

you have baby/girl sized hands

I can't comprehend how I used a 4" iPhone. It's almost nothing. It's a tiny baby toy

adult hands

Lots of little hands out there

Some people have small hands

adult sized hands

adult sized hands

adult sized hands

adult sized hands

Lots of baby hands on this forum, apparently

adult hands

Is this kind of like when you see people with a lifted truck with huge sack trailing behind? Most likely someone compensating for something tiny on them.....

 

[bgalakazam]

Nice, sign me up.

 

[iAssimilated]

SE = Small Edition (or Special Edition, whichever you prefer). Apple never made clear an official meaning for it.

Ah, my bad. Thank you for the clarification! I still prefer the SE for the size not the price.

 

[tobefirst ⚽️]

He said "sold". And not "purchased". The implication here is that Apple's goal here was to hit a price point. Buyers, such as yourself, may have found others bonuses, such as size. Nobody is really contesting that. What we are saying is that the size wasn't the main factor in Apple's design and launch of the product.

Apple's own keynote said differently.

 

[culo77]

I have been waiting for an SE2 too long, and none of the SE2 rumors have happened. I gave up on it happening and just got an iPhone 11.

 

[chooyoshi]

"When new, the iPhone 8 and iPhone SE started at $399 and $699 respectively."

It's the other way round.

BTW maybe if it's going to be another iPhone 6 rehash, just call it the iphone 11 classic or something like that. Hope the price is at u$399.


But this will not be apple's miracle pill in developing markets. It looks too outdated and under spaced on paper to do that.

 

[sracer]

I am not price-sensitive. I am size sensitive. 4.7 is too much. And those fancy new screen ratios, I know a place where they can shove them.

While there are those who were drawn the SE because of the screen size, there were also those who were drawn to it because of price. It is the overlap of these two groups that gave the SE the highest satisfaction rating of all iPhones (at the time... it was about 6-12 months after the SE's release)

IMO, if a follow-on to the SE is to be equally successful, it needs to cater to those same groups.

 

[BlowAway]

The iPhone 8 has a few features not intended for the price-sensitive SE crowd. 3D Touch, wireless charging, DCI-P3 and TrueTone.

It makes no sense to cut down some of the few features since the SE chassis is huge enough and the cost of implementing it is negligible as well.

 

[bklement]

That valuable survey data is what phone manufacturers pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

Actions speak louder than words. Either every single smartphone manufacturer in the world including Apple is wrong and there’s a huge untapped demand for small phones. Or they’re right that’s why nobody makes small phones in 2019.

Then please tell me if they have those super-accurate predictions and surveys, why did the SE run out of stock after launch, and performed much better than expected? I was an android user and a mild apple-hater until I've became fed up with the big phones, and bought an SE 1.5 years ago. Now I have an ipad, beats headphones, a desktop mac, switched to icloud, apple music and I have just asked for a macbook pro at my new job. These won't show up in the iphone se income stats, but the iphone se made them possible. So your fancy surveys can be useless, if they target the wrong demographics to begin with. The phone's impact was bigger than just simply selling the units. For some of us, it was the gateway drug, based on it's size, not it's price.

 

[baryon]

This would be great. I like iPhones and I like iOS, but I also don't want to pay so much for a phone that I need to save up for months in order to buy one. I'd buy used older iPhones but the problem is that the useful life is limited due to the older CPUs and iOS eventually not being supported. I don't mind the old design or the single camera, and I like Touch ID a lot. The only things that really need to be up to date are the internals, the rest is personal preference.

Wish it had a headphone jack though, to connect to the car stereo... Oh well, back to burning music CDs then I guess?

 

[_Refurbished_]

Most people here don’t get it. The iPhone 6 design is not the SE design, SE lovers want a phone the size of the SE.

The iPhone 6 design has been out since....the iPhone 6 (go figure). If they wanted to update to one, they would have by now. This doesn’t “appease” them in any way.

This is an update to the iPhone 8. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop painting the picture that this has anything to do with the current SE.

 

[bklement]

I understand the point you're making and there's no doubt there must be truth in it. However, there is also clearly a market for a 4" iPhone (based off of people on these forums and those I know who own the SE).

The question is, how big is the market? Could Apple pay off the R&D costs on a new 4" iPhone with the sales generated? Even if they only sold 10M I think the answer is yes...

Don't forget that as Apple aspires to become more of a service company, it's also vital to keep the existing users within the ecosystem. They are not only risking the hardware sale numbers by not making a small phone, but also people leaving their ecosystem.

 

[decisions]

The heavens have opened up.

EDIT: An iPhone 8 upgrade? What? None of us SE owners wanted that...Hoping Kuo is wrong here. Am I wrong that SE owners want the form factor of the SE with no bezels, built-in Touch ID, no Face ID (to reduce price), improved camera (but not up to latest standards to reduce price), things like this...and let's not forget we want it to look cool. That's the thing about iPhones 6-8 - compared to the iPhone 4-5 they look lame as hell.

 

[Spock]

My better half had a used iPhone 6s that finally died so she needed an upgrade. After days of discussion trying to get her to get a XR she refused. She doesn’t like the notch and she wanted a home button so she went with the iPhone 8 and couldn’t be happier. Some people just want a button.

 

[JPack]

SE = Small Edition (or Special Edition, whichever you prefer). Apple never made clear an official meaning for it.

It stands for Special Edition.

Phil Schiller, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing confirmed in 2016

 

[kloppdroptop]

Call it iPhone 9

 

[Sykora171]

The ONLY reason I still use an SE is because i love the size. I love not having a huge brick in my pocket and being able to touch every part of the screen with one hand.

 

[JPack]

Apple's own keynote said differently.

Apple's own keynote isn't about to wash the premium Apple brand down the drain. They won't claim price.

Apple told everyone during the iPhone 5c launch, they thought everyone wanted colorful phones and plastic. Do you really think price wasn't a factor?
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[jonnysods]

I know they don't want to put money into it - but a Face ID SE sized phone would be so sweet - no bezels, but same form factor size. I have an X, but I would go to an SE just to get it a bit smaller!

 

[Mr. Awesome]

I remember everybody complaining that the 5 was too big when it launched. Now people cling to that 4” screen like it’s the end of the world.
I personally think it’s honestly too small to be comfortable typing on. Other than that, the SE is pretty great. I have one that’s still really speedy running iOS 13.

 

[SSD-GUY]

I think myself, along with a sizeable majority prefer the SE for its size. I hate big phones; my brother has the XS and it feels so heavy and bulky.