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Kuo: If Face ID is 'Well Received,' It's Likely 2018 iPhones Will Fully Adopt TrueDepth Camera

IJ Reilly said:
Apple would not have released this technology if they thought it had any chance of not being well received by customers.
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Apple have a long history of releasing products that they though would be well received by the public and weren't - both hardware and software. Some of their biggest flops (Pippin and 20th Anniv. Mac) failed in part because of their high prices.

Regardless of anyone's initial impressions of FaceID at this stage, it is erroneous to suggest that Apple never goes backward.

In the case of the 3rd gen iPod shuffle, they eliminated all physical playback controls on the device and then immediately re-introduced them on all subsequent versions. Apple has a history of adopting a new user interface and abandoning it within a generation because it was not well received by the public.
 
Michael Scrip said:
Of course.

But in this case... it's not a very tough prediction.

"If 2017 feature does well... it will likely be in all 2018 iPhones..."

That's some Nostradamus stuff right there... ;)
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I don't think he simply predicts. I think he has some connections with suppliers. Now I am guessing :)
 
Hey, can I be paid millions of dollars to publish my speculations on the future? Seems to be the way the world works nowadays. I guess all that ol' talk about "hard work" is just that... talk.
 
wikiverse said:
Pippin
20th Anniversary Mac
G4 cube
3rd Gen iPod Shuffle (the one with no control buttons)
Mobile Me
Apple Maps

Apple have a long history of releasing products that they though would be well received by the public and weren't - both hardware and software. Some of their biggest flops (Pippin and 20th Anniv. Mac) failed in part because of their high prices.

Regardless of anyone's initial impressions of FaceID at this stage, it is erroneous to suggest that Apple never goes backward.

In the case of the 3rd gen iPod shuffle, they eliminated all physical playback controls on the device and then immediately re-introduced them on all subsequent versions. Apple has a history of adopting a new user interface and abandoning it within a generation because it was not well received by the public.
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But none of the examples you stated are iPhone. They don’t mess with iPhone it’s their main source of revenue. They won’t go back. They didn’t do it wrong.

Face ID will work well enough that in a year or so people will forget Touch ID.
 
iReality85 said:
Additionally, app devs are still adding TouchID compatibility. Heck, companies like Fidelity just recently updated their 401k app to use TouchID, which I think was only a couple weeks ago (I thought it was rather amusing, and they announced it to much fanfare under the updates description).

Makes me wonder how long companies will take to now incorporate FaceID for their apps. Will iPhone X users be stuck with passcodes for years? People here might laugh, but it's now a real possibility since TouchID is gone.
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I recall reading that if Touch ID works so will Face ID. The signal releasing the app is the same coming from the secure enclave. The app won't know the difference.

No app knows or cares, or can access either the Touch ID or face ID information. The data computation comparison is done within the secure enclave of the chip. The app requests authentification signal yes or no. That's whole point of how Apple achieves the security. And keeps Touch and face info secure on your phone.
 
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Pilgrim1099 said:
I never use the phone in the shower. Why would I do that? After all, I'm deaf.
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you can text while in the shower.. or you can watch a video of a cat in a bathtub while you're in one too.
sorry but i feel you're missing out..
using a phone in the shower isn't as sweet as smoking in the shower.. but it's along those line.
 
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flat five said:
huh?
not sure what you're meaning?

customers wanted larger phones.. Apple said "no you don't".. customers said "uhhh.. yes we do"... Apple said "OK"
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How do you know? How do you know if it wasn’t planned already?

We had large smartphones in 2012. Apple made them in 2014.

The same can be said for OLED screen.

Consumers have been asking for much more things Apple has never delivered, than things Apple has delivered. Apple doesn’t care, Apple has designers who believe in their science. I am fine with that since I acknowledge their taste and talent.
 
Danoc said:
How do you know? How do you know if it wasn’t planned already?
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maybe it was and s.Jobs was just doing some weird type of marketing here? :


https://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/

In response to a question at its press conference today about whether Apple could've done anything to avoid its antenna issues with the iPhone 4, Steve took the opportunity to rip on bigger rivals, saying that making a phone so big "you can't get your hand around it" helps, but that "no one's going to buy that." We're assuming he's likely talking about the latest crop of 4-, 4.3- and 5-inch phones that include the Galaxy S series, the EVO 4G, Droid X, and Dell Streak, even going so far as to call them "Hummers" (we take it you don't ever drive a Hummer, Steve?). Though ripping on the competition is to be expected, perhaps the more interesting takeaway here is that we can't realistically expect an iPhone much bigger than the 3.5-inch display they use today -- presumably that'll all be reserved for iPadterritory going forward. We personally don't mind something with a little more screen real estate -- but hey, maybe humans need to go through a few more cycles of evolutionary hand enlargement before Cupertino's willing to capitulate.
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iReality85 said:
Additionally, app devs are still adding TouchID compatibility. Heck, companies like Fidelity just recently updated their 401k app to use TouchID, which I think was only a couple weeks ago (I thought it was rather amusing, and they announced it to much fanfare under the updates description).

Makes me wonder how long companies will take to now incorporate FaceID for their apps. Will iPhone X users be stuck with passcodes for years? People here might laugh, but it's now a real possibility since TouchID is gone.
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No, if it works now it will work with FaceID.
 
iReality85 said:
Additionally, app devs are still adding TouchID compatibility. Heck, companies like Fidelity just recently updated their 401k app to use TouchID, which I think was only a couple weeks ago (I thought it was rather amusing, and they announced it to much fanfare under the updates description).

Makes me wonder how long companies will take to now incorporate FaceID for their apps. Will iPhone X users be stuck with passcodes for years? People here might laugh, but it's now a real possibility since TouchID is gone.
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I have never developed for iOS but this shouldn't be that difficult unless the API for Touch ID isn't just one simple call. Apple could provide a mean to simply swap this with the new implementation. Polymorphism in coding.
 
ct2k7 said:
I look forward to it, but it's got to prove itself to me this year.

I'm used to Touch ID; it just works well for my case.

I don't see Apple going back to Touch ID.
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Regardless of how well FACE ID works, it will never work safely in a car. This is just common sense. It's not practical and would be dangerous to use the Maps app in a car via FACE ID. If Touch ID doesn't come back, the iPhone is a marginalized niche product in that sense. I'd hate to see Samsung solve the problem before Apple.
Now THAT would insult to injury.

I would hate to think that Apple would wait until the first car-related FACE ID accident happens and they get sued.
That would be the end of Timmy's reign.
 
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wikiverse said:
Pippin
20th Anniversary Mac
G4 cube
3rd Gen iPod Shuffle (the one with no control buttons)
Mobile Me
Apple Maps

Apple have a long history of releasing products that they though would be well received by the public and weren't - both hardware and software. Some of their biggest flops (Pippin and 20th Anniv. Mac) failed in part because of their high prices.

Regardless of anyone's initial impressions of FaceID at this stage, it is erroneous to suggest that Apple never goes backward.

In the case of the 3rd gen iPod shuffle, they eliminated all physical playback controls on the device and then immediately re-introduced them on all subsequent versions. Apple has a history of adopting a new user interface and abandoning it within a generation because it was not well received by the public.
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I hope they go back on the touchbar then.
 
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BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
Regardless of how well FACE ID works, it will never work safely in a car. This is just common sense. It's not practical and would be dangerous to use the Maps app in a car via FACE ID. If Touch ID doesn't come back, the iPhone is a marginalized niche product in that sense. I'd hate to see Samsung solve the problem before Apple.
Now THAT would insult to injury.

I would hate to think that Apple would wait until the first car-related FACE ID accident happens and they get sued.
That would be the end of Timmy's reign.
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say what?
why is using the phone while driving with touchID as opposed to faceID any safer?
you're not the first person to say this.
it makes no sense to me.

so you unlock the phone with touchID.. ok.. now what?
that's it? or you look at the phone? you still have to look at the phone to use it..


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also.. faceID will be in cars..like, built into the car.. shortly.
 
Face ID fail.

Multiple steps to use Apple Pay
Asian - smog and sickness masks
Women - cosmetics masks
Letting friends handle phone - Fails
Bad angles for accessing face id
Needs eye contact to turn on not quick
Twins

I can think of hundreds why Touch ID shouldn’t be going anywhere yet
 
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Meanwhile, in the short term, Apple is very-likely considering how-best to Drop Prices of the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus, BEFORE it becomes common knowledge to ALL that Sept (& eventually also Oct) is a TOTAL catastrophe:

iPhone 8: $699 -> $599

iPhone 8+: $799 -> $699

Apple clearly over-played their hand this year ... I suspect even Kuo will probably figure that out in a few weeks.
 
I believe Kuo needs to be promoted to Major Obvious. Most of the stuff he states is common sense. Yes, i know of his track record but still.
 
dominiongamma said:
They just added it to MacBooks which is confusing
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Why is it confusing? Maybe it wasn't ready in time, or parts availability was constrained; or it was simply too costly to BOM as of yet. I'm sure it will come to iPad, MacBook and iMac as future models are rolled out. No reason for FaceID not to replace TouchID at some point.

I do think the iPhone 8S (9?) may very well retain LCD, Touch ID and the home button next year, since I don't think OLED nor FaceID components will be cheap enough to allow for only an X-based 2018 iPhone (and 6.4" Plus model). Apple would still want something starting at the $699 price point, and that will definitely not be the X.
 
Pilgrim1099 said:
Please. I have cold weather gloves that have special capacitive tips that allow me to use the phone. Gloves are nothing. Wet hands? Wipe it dry. Not that hard.
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Really. Your gloved hand can unlock your TouchID phone?

Those gloves are either magical or your TouchID is on the fritz.
 
nylon said:
Steve would have moved heaven and earth to make sure that Touch ID below display panel was implemented in iPhone X. That would have been more of a wow factor.
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Nope, TouchID below display was never meant for the X. I know some like to push this narrative and position it as an Apple or Tim Cook fail, but there's simply no proof of that.
 
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