I think the iPhone 11 demand is more related to the fact the phone is perceived as a real value when compared to past models and pricing.
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Kuo: iPhone 11 Demand and Upcoming Launch of 'iPhone SE 2' to Boost Overall iPhone Sales Growth in Q1 2020
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I think the iPhone 11 demand is more related to the fact the phone is perceived as a real value when compared to past models and pricing.
You're not alone.
Here's the real reason: iOS 13.
A lot of people were still using their iPhone 6. iPhone 6 users were cut off from upgrading to iOS 13. IIRC, 2014 was also a "super cycle" year because of the iPhone 6's new design.
This increased demand of 10% represents the people who clung onto their iPhone 6. I have a family member who was holding onto her iPhone 6 Plus for dear life. She now has a Pro Max. It had zero to do with the 11 having better cameras or battery. It was because her iPhone 6 was EOL'd.
Better cameras and batteries, while being nice and appreciated, haven't been anything to write home about for years now. Regardless of the brand.
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As others have mentioned, if the rumoured iPhone SE 2 is based on iPhone 8 weight/chassis with “better specs”, it may not sell that well. The current iPhone 8 is currently priced quite well, so 50-100$ difference is unlikely to change that much, IMO. However, if Apple managed to release iPhone 5/S/SE sized device with more current specs, now that would be a hit! To be seen...
Nothing like a generalized negative statement for customers that want to purchase Apple products.
And how do they do that. By twisting peoples arm so that they will only buy Apple products. But what happened to the market share argument? Makes no sense. Apple keeps the competition down, yet android has greater market share?
No. An upgraded iPhone 8 would sell way, way better than an upgraded SE, unless the SE was dirt cheap.
No, no - they want iPhone 14 I'd say with 3D VR live scanning, and a headphone jack
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Something for everybody.
For Kuo’s SE facts to be correct Apple would have to discontinue the iPhone 8 and immediately replace it with a cheaper, superior version. Sounds like an easy way to anger your own customers, something is wrong in his analysis.
I would love to see a so-called SE2 in an iPhone 8 format with the current A13 chip. I think the iPhone 11 is fantastic, but I prefer the slightly smaller/slimmer/lighter iPhone 8 form factor. If this does hit the market, I can finally get rid of my slow performing iPhone 6S. Fingers crossed.
It won't be a 4-inch device. Why? Because all but one of the subscriptions would be horrible on it. No arcade, no Apple TV+, even magazines suck on a screen as small as that. He'll user experience for video even sucks on the 8 with a sub720p screen...
Yea! Take that IBM, Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, Microsoft, Ericsson. What did you ever do.....😏
Agree, if turns out to just be an 8 refresh. Except, think it will not be cheaper than the current $450 of the 8....be at least same price, and quite possibly $50 or $100 more.
Not sure what they would do w/ the 8 plus in that scenario.
So according to your first comment, Apple created the "iphone" industry and are leading the "iphone" industry? This makes perfect sense. Nice try.
I was shocked to hear, that Ming Chop Sui Kung Fu thinks the SE2 will be the same size as the iPhone 8.
That would make the SE2 a waste product, like what you get when you use up the uranium bars in nuclear power plants.
Something, that nobody wants. This is ridiculous, Cook can't be that stupid.
The SE was a giant success after a slow start, due to the fact, that it didn't come out in October but apri, afterwards it gained momentum and tens of millions of users pass on the new ****** phablet phones every year and keep on using their SE.
Why?
It is not the screen size, that matters, but the overall size of the phone (plus the flush cam). If they come out with a biiiiig display in the same small case, then fine, I will be the first in line.
If not, then tens of million users will just keep their SE until that Bozo is removed from office like Scully once was.
That would make the SE2 a waste product, like what you get when you use up the uranium bars in nuclear power plants.
Something, that nobody wants. This is ridiculous, Cook can't be that stupid.
The SE was a giant success after a slow start, due to the fact, that it didn't come out in October but apri, afterwards it gained momentum and tens of millions of users pass on the new ****** phablet phones every year and keep on using their SE.
Why?
It is not the screen size, that matters, but the overall size of the phone (plus the flush cam). If they come out with a biiiiig display in the same small case, then fine, I will be the first in line.
If not, then tens of million users will just keep their SE until that Bozo is removed from office like Scully once was.
Microsoft famously scoffed at the phone without the keys.
Nokia sold a lot of cellular phones.
Blackberry touched on greatness, but lacked vision for the future.
IBM - I don't even know what phone IBM produced.
Ericsson - yes, I guess so, if you say so.
All these other companies are great companies but anyone can see that Apple has taken the smartphone way beyond what any of these other companies dreamed of doing, and Apple continues to innovate.
Maybe you cannot appreciate it, or maybe you have an opinion, but as a stockholder, I am being rewarded for realizing that the present and the future belongs to Apple for the next several years at least. Apple has really changed the world. Not Blackberry et al. Apple.
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What is your point anyways?
. What purpose?Absolutely they created the 'iPhone' industry. Notice how everything today still looks like the first iPhone?
Credit where credit is due. The genius wasn't the hardware...it was the software.
I would have to disagree.
The new phone is a revised iPhone 8 and doesn't have anything to do with the SE.
Like other posters have indicated, they should call it the iPhone 8S.
I think people want a smaller iPhone like the iPhone 5 form factor. The new SE apparently will not be that?
I'd say that the iPhone X was really a great little phone.
The new iPhone 11 Pro is also just about perfect size for people who want the small form factor, but yes, the price is higher. But if you forget about the price, the iPhone 11 Pro is maybe what you'd wish for in an SE?
The comment was made that Apple created the smartphone industry. They did not, you can look this up easily. Apple don't even dominate the market. Are their products desirable - yes. Did they change the landscape of mobile computing - yes. Is it easy to dismiss the early creators and innovators - clearly.Microsoft famously scoffed at the phone without the keys.
Nokia sold a lot of cellular phones.
Blackberry touched on greatness, but lacked vision for the future.
IBM - I don't even know what phone IBM produced.
Ericsson - yes, I guess so, if you say so.
All these other companies are great companies but anyone can see that Apple has taken the smartphone way beyond what any of these other companies dreamed of doing, and Apple continues to innovate.
Maybe you cannot appreciate it, or maybe you have an opinion, but as a stockholder, I am being rewarded for realizing that the present and the future belongs to Apple for the next several years at least. Apple has really changed the world. Not Blackberry et al. Apple.
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What is your point anyways?
Apple took something that all ready existed and made it better. But they also took alot of "inspiration" from other companies. They also bought alot of others people's tech to boost their own. Nothing wrong with that and I for one, as a user of their products, am thankful for their vision.
IBM - Simon Personal Communicator
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And the SE is a revised iPhone 5s. [sarcasm] It should have been called the iPhone 5T(*). [/sarcasm]
An updated iPhone 8 could also be called the iPhone 9 (given that the changes between the 5s and SE were not that dissimilar to those between the iPhone 7 and 8).
Apple has released four different iPhones with a 4" screen and pretty similar overall shape and design (5, 5s, 5c, SE). Why should the term SE suddenly stand for 4" phones when the number 5 was much associated with the 4" design? Apple has plenty of reasons to call an updated iPhone 8 an SE2 as it follows the same concept of taking a phone released a couple of years ago and putting in an updated system-on-a-chip and a few other other updated components. They also have reasons to call it the iPhone 8s or the iPhone 9 or the iPhone SP.
It's of course fine to prefer one of those names over another but to claim that there would no reasons for any of other ones is denying reality because you don't like it.
(*) That would follow a string of cameras by Fuji called the X100, X100S, X100T, X100F, and a rumoured X100V, where 'S' stands for second, 'T' for third, 'F' for fourth, and 'V' for fifth.
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OK - I think we all know all that stuff. If you are hoping for more recognition for the likes of the IBM Simon, or whatever, well OK then.
I remember the Apple Newton back in 1991 too, and at a glance I'd say the Simon owes something back to the Apple Newton product too.
So I don't think you are saying much other than trying to be right about something.
Let's all salute Alexander Graham Bell - the Canadian who invented the Telephone. How's that sound?
