Kuo: iPhone 12 Lineup Won't Support 120Hz, 5.4-Inch Model Will Have Slightly Narrower Notch

[The Game 161]

And there’s two reasons why the note ultra has it and Apple doesn’t.
1: the note 20 ultra starts at $1299. Even with the rumored price increase as of this year‘s iPhones, they will still be at least $150-$200 beneath 1300. The $999 note 20 doesn’t have it, and neither will the $999 12 pro.
2: Apple will produce way more iPhone 12 units then Samsung will note 20s and note 20 ultra ‘s. It’s a lot easier to ask a supply chain to produce 500,000 120 Hz panels then it is to ask them to produce 20,000,000 120 hz panels

Not really true at all

The 799 one plus pro has 120hz so does the 899 S20. Price isn't a factor here

And no the models apple sells on the tens of millions is the non pro models. So in reality the volume isn't as high as you may seem. Volume really doesn't have any baring here

 

[vipergts2207]

High refresh rates have been around for years. If anything, it's taken the phone industry a lot longer than TVs, and before that, monitors. PC gamers have long enjoyed high refresh rates. People were even overclocking their CRT monitors to 75-90Hz back in the 90s. It just provides a much better visual experience.

It just blows my mind why people don't see (or don't want) the benefit of 120Hz, aside from some (IMO) minor drawbacks like some reduced battery life. Everyone here who has a newer iPhone can take (slo-mo) 120fps video. You literally aren't seeing that 120fps video properly since you don't have a 120Hz display; having a 60Hz screen defeats the purpose of capturing a 120fps video at all.

This isn’t true at all. It takes 120 FPS video so that when it’s played back at 60fps at 60 Hz it’s half-speed and still looks smooth.

 

[joiwomcow]

Eh, no biggie. I have an iPad Pro (120Hz) and an iPhone 10 (60Hz). Faster refresh on the smaller screen would be a "nice to have," but not essential like on the iPad (where, for instance, portrait-to-landscape rotation looks wretched at 60Hz).

 

[Ds6778]

I do not think Apple is going to get rid of the notch anytime soon. You’re completely missing the “brand identification” that the current notch has. That’s what it’s become, when you see the iPhone notch you know it’s an iPhone. Similar to the ring around Touch ID on older iPhones. Apple has zero reason to shrink the notch. It’s not changing because they don’t want to shrink it. You need to look at the notch on iPhones as a branding exercise, at least to a certain extent.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

120Hz is completely unnecessary for 95% of phone users. It's a huge tax on the battery for what is an non-feature for the large majority of users.

It's comforting to know that there are always "experts" here that seemingly know what everyone wants, what everyone needs, and what is unnecessary for 95% of the users. If it wasn't for you, no one would have a clue what they each need, want or is necessary for them. I wish I had the insight of an entire global communities needs...

 

[iReality85]

So true. The iPhone 6 was the thinnest phone. "Thinness" was only an "obsession" with the earliest models; which, I'm sure anyone in 2020 would agree, were undesirably thick. I have an old iPhone 4S sitting on my dusty shelf, and it's pretty damn chunky. Once iPhones became "thin enough", with the 6, it stopped being an "obsession."

It's not so much that the iPhone 4 was thick, it was just heavy AF. And then followed up by the iPhone 5, which seemed almost too light. Whenever I take them out of my nightstand and compare them, the weight difference between the two is still shcoking. But I think the iPhone 4 - 5S were the perfect thickness IMO.

 

[nordique]

I don't say 60 hz are unusable but 120 hz with ios would create an immersive visual experience...As for your... experience ...you mean you browsed articles site etc and you did not experience the smoothness of browsing?Wow maybe you should have your eyes checked...

No... some people are not as sensitive to higher refresh rates. Just like how some people have issues with viewing OLED displays and others do not.

This is a poor thing to say to someone who it sounds like isn’t able to discern the difference. You may have more sensitive eyes than someone else, and if you do that is your biological luck and fortune

 

[falainber]

The Note 20 Ultra cannot run 120hz at a 1440p resolution.

It's either 60hz @ 1440p or 120Hz @ 1080p.

A concession Apple is absolutely never willing to make.

What concession are you talking about? Samsung phone can run 1080p at 120Hz and iPhone can't. That's how uncompromising Apple is?

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

That’s what I mean by no compromises. If my phone can go past 1080P and do 120 Hz, I want both. I shouldn’t have to trade off one feature just to have another, and apple would never allow something like that.

Enjoy the wait then...it could be years before all of your "no compromise" features exist.

 

[iReality85]

This isn’t true at all. It takes 120 FPS video so that when it’s played back at 60fps at 60 Hz it’s half-speed and still looks smooth.

You just agreed with what I said.

Everyone here who has a newer iPhone can take (slo-mo) 120fps video. You literally aren't seeing that 120fps video properly since you don't have a 120Hz display; having a 60Hz screen defeats the purpose of capturing a 120fps video at all.

 

[rikscha]

The iPad Pro doesn’t have a notch. It has a bezel, but not a notch. The display isn’t interrupted with a giant cutout.

It has 120hz and it makes zero difference. Refresh rates have never been a problem on Iphones. this is just spec bitching

 

[ZeeK_3]

120hz would have been nice but we all know Apple won’t do 90hz or even a 120hz refresh rate you’ll need to toggle on and off in order to preserve battery life. If they can’t do an effective promotion-style adaptive refresh rate, they just won’t do it this year.

I was debating between the regular 6.1 and the 6.1 pro, 120hz was the deciding factor. I will go with the base 6.1 and when they can effectively do 120hz next year, I’ll upgrade to that.

I disagree with people here that are saying that Apple should include it and let users choose. I don’t want to have to drop down the resolution to do 120hz, or do 120hz all the time with no adaptive refresh rate so the battery life tanks. It should be like the iPad, a new feature that just works all the time with no major compromises.

 

[DinkThifferent]

What concession are you talking about? Samsung phone can run 1080p at 120Hz and iPhone can't. That's how uncompromising Apple is?

Das beste oder nichts

That's the compromise i'm talking about.

Edit: See

120hz would have been nice but we all know Apple won’t do 90hz or even a 120hz refresh rate you’ll need to toggle on and off in order to preserve battery life. If they can’t do an effective promotion-style adaptive refresh rate, they just won’t do it this year.

I was debating between the regular 6.1 and the 6.1 pro, 120hz was the deciding factor. I will go with the base 6.1 and when they can effectively do 120hz next year, I’ll upgrade to that.

I disagree with people here that are saying that Apple should include it and let users choose. I don’t want to have to drop down the resolution to do 120hz, or do 120hz all the time with no adaptive refresh rate so the battery life tanks. It should be like the iPad, a new feature that just works all the time with no major compromises.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

Would a high refresh rate on a small display be as noticeable as on a larger display? I can understand wanting this on an iPad for reading, but would it really make much difference on an iPhone? What is the use case?

 

[ZeeK_3]

Would a high refresh rate on a small display be as noticeable as on a larger display? I can understand wanting this on an iPad for reading, but would it really make much difference on an iPhone? What is the use case?

High refresh in a larger screen is more impressive, but high refresh on any device is nice. I’ve tried out 120hz on phones and it’s a great experience. I would love it on the iPhone, but it needs to be done in a manner similar to iPads. Adaptive, full resolution, no toggle, and minimal or no hit to battery life.

 

[Zerlina]

Every other phone has some sort of high refresh rate screen its not worth waiting another whole year for this feature 😞

 

[maka344]

I don’t understand what point 120hz serves on a already smaller screen.

Oh you will, next year when Apple finally bring it. But until then, you won’t.

 

[iBug2]

Well I love 120Hz on my iPad, which I got used since 2017. But whenever I take out my phone after using my iPad, I never say, hey this is choppy animation. Maybe on a small screen it's not as noticeable.

 

[limo79]

Why does Apple have so many excuses and problems fitting in technology that none of the other phone manufacturers seem to have.

OLED display came late, edgeless design came late, wireless charging came late. Samsung didn’t have an issue putting 120Hz OLED display in the S20, why does Apple need to wait another year? It’s all BS

It used to be they waited and then implemented those new features the best way possible, but that’s no longer the case.

As for the iPad Air with Touch ID, that actually interests me. I would have preferred under the screen but have to see how it feels in practice. The only thing now is to see if it includes 4 speakers like the Pro, that’s a deal breaker for me.

The price of the iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard is basically the Macboor Air. I would rather go for the laptop at those prices. My iPad these days is purely for content consumption like couch browsing and the odd movie.

It is not a BS. Apple has much different technology strategy than competitors Dell, Acer or Asus. General rule are:
1) We use the best technology that we have now. In terms of image quality IPS is still the best choice not only for Apple itself as a company but also for a customers.
2) We do not use a technology that has serious well known limitations (color banding, low refresh rate that impact battery life and may cause eye strain, poor calibration etc) and may ruin customer experience (generating cost for a company).
3) We do not use a latest technology that is not well validated and/or fail internal tests.
4) We do not use latest technology that may impact BOM cost so we need to make a cut on quality.

Most of Apple competitors like use a simple trick to mislead 99,9% of consumers - screen panels do not fulfill advertised values and factory test tolerance have wide limits to reduce amount of scrap (panels that going back to the supplier). This is well common in case of Lenovo products (they have a problem to achieve declared brigthness, backlight can be highly uneven, limited color gamut etc). Apple screen panel requirements are more strict than in Dell which is really good last years or HP. Factory calibration is on the top industry level (except few monitors for professionals) and attention to realistic color reproduction - generally speaking What You See Is Whay You Get. In the same way 99,9% of consumer do not put any attention to difference between how Apple aluminium enclosure and for example top Asus line Zenbooks where thin sheet of metal covers plastic chassis and they use plastic joints between these materials while Apple unibody is fully aluminium with metal threads to attach all electronic modules. Last thing: 99.9% of consumers are ignorant - they want a zilion CPU/GPU cores and do not think about thermal consequences. Later they complaint about fan noise or high CPU/GPU temperatures or that bottom lid is hot.

 

[Zaft]

Really not a big deal. It’s nice to have but you don’t really think about the refresh rate once you start using the phone. It’s nice on the iPad but it’s just eye candy.

 

[pray2crom]

i guess i am going wait for iphone 13

 

[Souponastick270]

Yet to see a compelling rumour that would tempt me away from my 7+ at this point.

I used to really look forward to the iPhone announcements, but these days, it all just a bit 'meh'. Maybe it was Steve that I enjoyed watching more so than the product itself or maybe yearly updates now just feel like 's' level updates

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Enjoy the wait then...it could be years before all of your "no compromise" features exist.

The year your looking for is 2021. LTPO will allow both. I’ll be able to run my iPhone at native resolution, and have variable refresh rates.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

The year your looking for is 2021. LTPO will allow both. I’ll be able to run my iPhone at native resolution, and have variable refresh rates.

You mean LTPO will allow ALL THREE (120Hz, >1080p, and no compromsing battery life)...we shall see.

 

[Jimmy James]

60 hurts.