It’s noticeable, to be sure, but since a good part of my computing is done on my iMac and iPhone, which are both at 60 Hz, switching doesn’t actively bother me like it did when I first upgraded my iPad in late 2018. I don’t regularly turn off the high refresh rate on my iPad, but when I have, it still doesn’t bother me.
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Kuo: iPhone 12 Lineup Won't Support 120Hz, 5.4-Inch Model Will Have Slightly Narrower Notch
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Yeah, it's a strange rumour for sure, unless the narrower notch leads to a compromise in performance that is only 'acceptable' on the cheapest model.
I'm in the camp of waiting waiting waiting for a small phone so unless it's completely rubbish I'm going to get a 5.4" 12.
Literally the only deal breaker would be if the camera was rubbish but I'm expecting the hardware from the 11 with better neural processing. Is that reasonable to expect?
This is actually the most logical reason to be upset by this situation.
I won't go into the merits or lack thereof of 120 Hz as that horse has been beaten to well beyond death at this point.
But, what I think Apple fans or Apple non-fans need to wrap their heads around is this:
Apple, as a company, is no longer marketing to tech enthusiasts. Apple is not interested in producing bleeding edge technology. Steve Jobs had a vision of smartphones and computers as household appliances. This vision is coming to fruition. A side effect of that vision is that new potentially unreliable technology, that comes along with compromises like say, diminished battery life, will be shunned in favor of old and predictable technology. Because, fundamentally, that is what the vast majority of consumers want. When you go shopping for a microwave or a stove or a washing machine do you always check all of the tech specs of the machine you want? Or do you, like most, buy something that looks appealing visually from a brand you trust, at a price you can stomach. Like it or not that is how people shop for smartphones.
Yes.
On top of this, for anyone that thinks that “pro” actually means The device is made for active professionals, you are sorely mistaken. Look at the AirPods Pro for example. No professional audio engineer or producer is using these to do actual professional audio work. Pro just means top of the line.
No I’m not agreeing with you, nor is what you said correct. If your phone only recorded 60 FPS video, then to be slo-mo, the video would have to be played back at 30 FPS which would look choppy. You understand the 120 FPS video is only playing back at 60 FPS even on a 120 Hz screen right? The screen refresh rate has no bearing on whether slo-mo 120 FPS recording is useful or not.
I don't know what it is anymore but even with my 6S still I'm barely excited for the 12. If anything I'll get it for the comparatively massive camera upgrade and the fact that my 6S is getting slow with apps.
If I look at the likely differences from the 11 to the 12 it's all a bit lackluster. Also, if there's no 120hz screen it's one less thing to differentiate the 'Pro' from the regular models. I don't know how much I would notice it, but it's the principle behind the concept of the Pro phones compared to the 'normal' ones.
I want a Pro because I want the best and newest features, so if the competition has features and the Pro doesn't that devalues the Pro monniker in my eyes.
If I look at the likely differences from the 11 to the 12 it's all a bit lackluster. Also, if there's no 120hz screen it's one less thing to differentiate the 'Pro' from the regular models. I don't know how much I would notice it, but it's the principle behind the concept of the Pro phones compared to the 'normal' ones.
I want a Pro because I want the best and newest features, so if the competition has features and the Pro doesn't that devalues the Pro monniker in my eyes.
I don't believe I ever had experiences with a 90 nor 120Hz screen. As an Android user, this still kinda saddens me (I can still say I'm using my Ipod Touch 5 and iPad Air from time to time).
I really want to upgrade but maybe I skip this year anyway. I feel like the last coupke of years have only been some camera improvements that I really don’t use that much. Was hoping for 120hz and 5G but maybe next year is the year with micro-LED and 120hz and Apples own modem? But then we will have rumors about some new feature for the 2022 phone and I’m gonna want that! 
Yes, absolutely. Why would anyone not? The washing machine I chose came from the manufacturer I preferred with the exact feature set I wanted that paired with the matching dryer. I made a conscious choice to get the exact hot water tank/heater I wanted from my plumber, too. Same as buying a computer or a car. That's a lot of money to spend to commit to using something every day for years that you're not completely satisfied with.
Unless someone is independently wealthy, with the free cash to throw around at endless upgrades and new models every year despite a lack of need, I can't imagine how anybody could spend $700+ on a smartphone that they intend to keep for 2, 3, or more years; and not make a conscious effort to understand exactly what the options on the market are and exactly what they're buying.
Knowing Apple, Airtags will probably only work with the 11s.
I really want to upgrade but maybe I skip this year anyway. I feel like the last coupke of years have only been some camera improvements that I really don’t use that much. Was hoping for 120hz and 5G but maybe next year is the year with micro-LED and 120hz and Apples own modem? But then we will have rumors about some new feature for the 2022 phone and I’m gonna want that!
Micro-Led is rumored for the watch (Especially that will be a smaller batch numbers given Apple will likely have one main supplier), not so much for the iPhone. Mini-Led was/is slated for the next Gen iPhone/iPad displays.
I understand how FPS and Hz interrelate just fine, thank you.
My original comment used Slo-mo as an example merely to point out that iPhones are already capable of recording at 120fps, so why would anyone not want a 120Hz screen? Motion is motion, and higher Hz gives better fluidity in any situation.
But to address your comments, slow motion is a function of frames over time. You mention that Hz have no bearing, which is not quite right. Slo-mo is derived from 30fps.
I think you may be mistaking 60fps for frame duplication. Let’s say you take a 1 second video at 120fps. That becomes a 4 second Slo-mo video at 30fps. But to display it correctly on a typical 60Hz screen, you need to double each frame so that it’s not choppy, because screens refresh 60 times a second, not 30. This is part of what goes on behind the scenes.
Slo-mo plays back at 60fps (30fps x2) because 60Hz is what current iPhone screens are limited to. For a 120Hz screen, each frame would be quadrupled for even smoother slow motion (30fps x4).
I bought a NIB iPhone Xs for about $450 this year to enjoy a smaller phone with the ability to use Carplay in my vehicle. Apart from the terrible radios on the AT&T version for both wifi/cellular, it's been a "serviceable" device. I bought it with the expectation that I would gift to a family member at the end of the year and snag a 12, but, as many have mentioned, I refuse to pay Apple for less than what the competition is doing.
At some point, one has to feel like they are getting taken. One can pick up a new, unlocked, Note 20 Ultra for $1099 that has almost everything one can ask for if you can swallow the large size and lack of iOS. Samsung is also promising at least 3 years of updates, which is a departure from their past "commitments."
At this point, if iMessage worked on Android, I suspect many people would have jumped ship by now; there's little incentive to try at this point if I'm Apple. Android is more mature than ever with 11, and the privacy controls are improving beyond what many would have thought even a few years ago.
Having said that, Apple knows what they are doing; they know how to make money, and they know they have a gaggle of followers who will twist/defend -almost- every move they make. One need only look at the XR/11 screen situation: it's honestly a joke that a device that expensive has such a low quality screen, but most people don't care (shrug gif) if they have blue bubble and/or memoji/animoji/sheepmoji. I suspect the 60hz/120hz screen scenario will play out the same.
I just don't know how I'd personally feel paying full price for 60hz with no charger in the box in 2020.
At some point, one has to feel like they are getting taken. One can pick up a new, unlocked, Note 20 Ultra for $1099 that has almost everything one can ask for if you can swallow the large size and lack of iOS. Samsung is also promising at least 3 years of updates, which is a departure from their past "commitments."
At this point, if iMessage worked on Android, I suspect many people would have jumped ship by now; there's little incentive to try at this point if I'm Apple. Android is more mature than ever with 11, and the privacy controls are improving beyond what many would have thought even a few years ago.
Having said that, Apple knows what they are doing; they know how to make money, and they know they have a gaggle of followers who will twist/defend -almost- every move they make. One need only look at the XR/11 screen situation: it's honestly a joke that a device that expensive has such a low quality screen, but most people don't care (shrug gif) if they have blue bubble and/or memoji/animoji/sheepmoji. I suspect the 60hz/120hz screen scenario will play out the same.
I just don't know how I'd personally feel paying full price for 60hz with no charger in the box in 2020.
Cherry picking! MacBook Pros got thinner in 2012, and thinner again in 2016. The 16" got thicker (than the 2016, but not earlier models) only after professional and corporate users started abandoning Apple because the form over function design mantra had gone so far that the MacBook Pros were no longer functional enough for a heavy pro user. Two big problems with MBPs being too thin are: battery not maximum allowable size for air regulations (fixed in the 16"); and even more importantly, inadequate cooling (only partially fixed with the 16").
I'll let someone else talk about the phones.
You're not missing much. I have it on my iPad Pro and a true 120hz tv. You can barely tell. And I’m a somewhat of a home theater pain in the ass. It’s just not that noticeable
It's not entirely Apple's fault. It's been claimed Samsung isn't able to produce enough 120MHz display panels for the iPhone's higher production run. It makes sense that Samsung's smartphones get first choice.
Has there been a S model that was redesigned? This phone deserves to be called the 12/12 Pro as it looks visually different from the 11/11 Pro. Some people won’t think the difference is significant enough, but personally I think a return to the iPhone 4/5 look is significant. It also adds 5G which I’ll admit is less beneficial than it should be, significant improvements to both the front and rear cameras, LiDAR which could end up to be more beneficial than 5G, improved water protection, next generation FaceID, improved speaker, magnets for possible power delivery, no 120Hz but the display will still be an improvement over the 11 Pro. Next year’s 12s will feature 120Hz and maybe a slightly smaller notch for all models, along with the A15.
I just think they’re holding back technology for revisions down the line.
If you're an "iPhone only" user and never saw a smartphone with 120Hz or even 90Hz, you're good. You'll just live another year with basically a worst display experience that a OnePlus 7T from last year, but you won't know
Lol Kuo always repeating what has already been said multiple times. But somehow gets credit?