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Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'
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It's not a strong word. They wouldn't have released an iPhone 13 Mini had they not already committed to it beforehand. It has been a sales disaster for Apple.
I do believe it will have new life at lower price points. I expect it to sell better in the next 12 months with a starting price of $600. Next year they can keep it in the lineup with a starting price of $500. That's the sweet spot IMO. Then just update it every 3 years and keep it at $500. It's a niche device that has potential at a lower price point.
I’m tempted by the iPhone 14 plus, but I have to admit that spending a still significant amount of money on a phone that doesn’t have promotion and a telephoto lens is a tough pill to swallow. Most will just go with a discount 13 Pro Max.
i think Apple just got the price on this totally wrong.
i think Apple just got the price on this totally wrong.
$0 increase price in China. Apple just increases price because they can, and they would not decrease the price no matter USD crashes later.
I still don't want Face ID or a notch. I would buy the 14 Plus if I could get Touch ID back.
Yes, as I wrote, this is taking taxes into account. For example, the 13 mini is $599 in the US, so should currently be about the same in Euro without tax, or 719 Euro with tax, but is actually 799 Euro. All prices seem to have at least 10% added.
It feels to me like they specifically made the 14 and 14 Plus just to upsell you $200. It feels like the 14 Pro is the real new iPhone and the standard model is like a really expensive iPhone SE. I also don’t see why you wouldn’t just buy a 13 unless you really wanted the bigger size, but even then. When you’re spending $900 US may as well spend $200 more for a significantly better phone for most people.
At least part of the reason for low pre-orders is the fact most consumers are (already) tapped out. Smart phones are a mature market, meaning everyone already has one and the expense of upgrading isn't worth it. When high def flat screen tvs came out and prices dropped to where most people could afford one, everyone went out and bought them. Then manufacturers thought they could get everyone to replace their tvs again with 3D, marginally thinner units, 4K resolution, or faster refresh rates. The end result is consumers got upgrade fatigue. The same thing is happening / has been happening with smart phones.
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Chinese Yuan is soft-pegged to the USD.
No price increase in Canada either. The Canadian dollar is not pegged to the US dollar, but the currency exchange rate has stayed basically constant since last year.
I've been saying that since the 12 came out. The standard model is a mid-range handset that carriers can advertise with discounts at a good price/free; or use to upsell people to the Pro models with the features they actually want, like the telephoto lens.
I will still probably get a 13 Mini when I upgrade from my X, but yeah, it would have been nice to get the triple cameras. I wonder if they thought that would be too niche of a product? I can see that having worse battery life, potentially, being smaller, and needing extra juice to do advanced photo / video processing.
No wonder! It’s the dumbest release of a new iPhone yet. Simply because they introduced the pro with dynamic island makes the 14 highly undesirable and makes everyone wait for the pill cutout on the 15 model. And the notch on the iPhone 14 makes it feel beyond dated. I have the MacBook Pro 14 M1 - love the machine- except for the ridiculous notch… bet they will bring the pill with dynamic island to Mac too. With the interface as on 14 pro makes it more “cool” and then it’s not such an eyesore. It shows how not communicating between departments within Apple can cause stupid decisions. I bet the pill cut out was in discussion already before the MacBooks with the notch were finished… all the more iPhone 14 with notch???? WTF!
It’s the same in the US. The regular 14 is available for in-store pickup on launch day.
That's still a larger than usual price reduction. The 64GB 12 retailed for $829 just two years ago. The other ting to keep in mind is that larger price reductions can hurt iPhone resale values. Since many people trade their current iPhone for a new one, increasing the price reduction of older phones ends up further decreasing the resale value of used iPhones thereby potentially making the new purchase that much more expensive for consumers.
I think there have been enough improvements to the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max over the 11 Pro and Pro Max from three years ago to finally justify an increase. There are also the inflation, supply chain, etc. factors.
The 128GB iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max have TWICE the storage of the 64GB 11 Pro/Pro Max for the SAME launch prices. A $50 to $100 price increase on the 14 would not have been that unreasonable.
The 256GB and 512GB iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max are $50 CHEAPER than the 256GB and 512GB 11 Pro/Pro Max. A $50 to $100 price increase on the 14 would not have been that unreasonable.
If my iPhone 13 mini got damaged or lost/stolen, there is no way I would buy a 14. If they suddenly stopped selling the 13 mini I would just buy a 14 pro. But only begrudgingly. The 14 is a joke, and the 14 pro is meh at best.
The island is cool but way overhyped. I learned that dynamic anything in an iPhone is fleeting. Music widget disappears 3 minutes after your song is paused.
The island is cool but way overhyped. I learned that dynamic anything in an iPhone is fleeting. Music widget disappears 3 minutes after your song is paused.
The pro phones look gaudy to most. They’re also 40 grams heavier which will be perceptible when the two are compared in a retail context. I’ll bet the plus phone will update on alternate cycles to the mini. Also, to keep moaning about the cost going up only shows your age.
Someone somewhat disagrees:
finance.yahoo.com
New Apple iPhones and Apple Watches are off to impressive start: JPMorgan
New Apple iPhones and Apple Watches are off to impressive start: JPMorgan
Here comes the next catalyst for Apple's stock.
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BRING BACK THE MINI.
(I just came here to say that 😆)
(I just came here to say that 😆)
I get that but it's up to Apple what the price reduction is - it's not a law that they are being held to... Agreed with you on resale price but I can't imagine that's a concern to Apple - they want you to buy new, or if your buying used, do that directly from them.
In the U.K. the iPhone 13 Pro was £949, and Pro max £1049, at launch. Today the 14 Pro is £1099 and the Pro Max is £1099. There's your increase of £150 per device (to account for your previous reasons of inflation, weak currencies etc.). I'll be honest, and this is just me, but I'll never understand any customer advocating for a price increase for a product. I'm just not that loyal to any company who has never done me any favours.
Yuen has real dropped too, just Apple chooses to increases $0 because China econ is very weak so they worry increase $1 would hurt the sales number a lot.
Not surprised. I’m not upgrading to the 14 Pro Max either this year because IMO, Apple just made the iPhone 13 Pro Max way too good, although iOS 16 did nuke my battery life, but I’m holding out hope Apple fixes it soon. The iPhone 14 non-Pros are the most lacklustre upgrades ever. Even the smallest S-upgrade cycle was bigger than going from the 13 non-Pro to the standard 14
This plays a much larger part than people realize. Mobile phones are now commoditized, similar to TVs as you mentioned, and I think also similar to automobiles. Unless you just have money to throw around, or are an enthusiast (which both are fine), there's simply no compelling reason to change more than every few years.
And honestly this year, unless you're someone who spends a lot of time getting lost in remote areas, there's no pragmatic reason to go with the 14 over the 13, or I could even argue the 12.
Apple's not stupid, though. They know all of this. And while the media and analysts might paint the 14 numbers as a failure (though it's awfully early to tell), Apple knows they simply had to release another phone this year, and it will set itself up nicely to be a secondary option in coming years like the 12/13 are this year.
iPhone 14 Pro Mini
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
That's all we needed, just cut the 14/14 Plus with old chips crab.
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
That's all we needed, just cut the 14/14 Plus with old chips crab.