I would have bought a 14 mini to replace my 13 mini. I want that Qualcomm X65. I just don't want a 200g lead brick that can't be used without two hands free.
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Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'
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I like the idea of having a Plus model, but I don't like that it's basically the same phone as the 13. Apparently the 14 has ProMotion "disabled", meaning it's perfectly capable of it. So why can't it just be an option we can turn on or off? It's a deliberately nerfed phone and that doesn't inspire me to want it.
Someone somewhat disagrees:
New Apple iPhones and Apple Watches are off to impressive start: JPMorgan
New Apple iPhones and Apple Watches are off to impressive start: JPMorgan
Here comes the next catalyst for Apple's stock.finance.yahoo.com
The U.S. stock market in general is up quite a bit over the past 5 days, so if anything Apple's stock increase is tied more to that than their new products. Not arguing with you, just the implied correlation in the article.
Don’t include me in the “most of us”.
It’s not going to bomb, imo.
Planning a new phone takes years. There comes a point in time apple cannot pivot. And nobody could have seen this tsunami coming. However, the proof of the pudding is in the financials.
What failed? Proof?
That would be a great way for Apple to reduce sales volumes, because just about nobody wants a mini sized iPhone. The few geeks that hang out here don't count.
Just 3% of U.S. iPhone Sales in March Quarter Were iPhone 13 Mini Models
The 5.4-inch iPhone 13 mini continues to be unpopular with customers, according to U.S. iPhone sales data for the March quarter that was shared by...
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March quarter 2022:
iPhone 13: 38%
iPhone 13 Pro + Max: 30%
iPhone 13 mini: 3% <-- Ouch!
Total: 71% of iPhones sold in that quarter were from the iPhone 13 series. The other 29% were other models.
Better wait for the new 48Mp module review, but may be this kind of hardware could mitigate this type of limitation.
It will be interesting to compare the tele perf at 2x with the 12pro.
That would be a great way for Apple to reduce sales volumes, because just about nobody wants a mini sized iPhone. The few geeks that hang out here don't count.
Just 3% of U.S. iPhone Sales in March Quarter Were iPhone 13 Mini Models
The 5.4-inch iPhone 13 mini continues to be unpopular with customers, according to U.S. iPhone sales data for the March quarter that was shared by...
March quarter 2022:
iPhone 13: 38%
iPhone 13 Pro + Max: 30%
iPhone 13 mini: 3% <-- Ouch!
Total: 71% of iPhones sold in that quarter were from the iPhone 13 series. The other 29% were other models.
That's quite unfair, because the mini lineup also has to compete with the iPhone SE which is much cheaper and has similar size/weight benefits. Without the SE lineup I'm sure the minis would sell a lot more.
I'm curious how much it's the $ vs £/€ and how much it's the chinese yuan and/or taiwanese dollar where the phones/main components are built.
Looks like the dollar is up (where the phones remain the same - maybe more money for Apple), but also the far eastern currencies are up vs european ones (maybe less money for Apple or roughly the same with a lot of R&D in the US, not just far east manufacturing).
Looks like the dollar is up (where the phones remain the same - maybe more money for Apple), but also the far eastern currencies are up vs european ones (maybe less money for Apple or roughly the same with a lot of R&D in the US, not just far east manufacturing).
And what happened when Euro had 20 or 30% more value than dollar? It’s not an excuse.
Think that you won’t have ANY type of warranty covered in France.
We‘ll see about that. Apple has had (relatively) disappointing financial results before.
They didn’t hike the prices by 10%. Overseas prices have always higher than US prices by a bit less than 10 or so.
Agree. And I‘m even saying this as a fan of the mini form factor. Just don‘t gimp it, compared to the „regular“ bigger-size sibling, and I‘m ok with it.
Forgot about the virtual reality headset
True - though on the other hand, their lack of product differentiation between last year’s 13 and this year’s 14 models feels a bit like adding insult to injury. If the 14 had great new features and better performance compared to the 13, it may have softened the perception of the price hike.
What happened? European iPhones were a few (between 5 and 10) percent more expensive than in the US. After adjusting for local taxes.
Just the same as today.
Yes, it's because the SE was much, much cheaper than the mini. A hypothetical mini Pro would be even more expensive than the previous mini. Almost nobody wants to pay that kind of money for a mini sized screen. They would not gain significant sales of the mini until they dropped pricing.
The mini was a flat out failure, which a lot of people predicted up front when they saw the pricing.
And I'm still convinced they purposely delayed Plus so people would go for Max. I can't find a single Max in a 100mi radius but can find any of other three even if they aren't the exact color and capacity
People buying the 14 standard model don’t need a bigger or smaller size. I think the plus was destined to fail because if you wanted something bigger and a few more $$ to spare, just go for the pro max. I think they would have been better off making a 14 mini, because while most people will opt for the standard size, some will want the mini size, and there a a good handful of pro users who buy a mini as a spare phone. I have 2 mini’s a 12 and 13 I bought for my boys, they don’t need any bigger and its much more affordable. Who is the plus for exactly?
And B is exactly why they are delayng Plus. If it would have launched with Max, it would have sucked away sales. The regular 14 isn't going to steal anything.
Yes, I agree that a mini pro wouldn't work at all. Mini users just want a small and light, one hand phone with good enough performance for a smooth experience. My point anyway was that the SE series cannibalized the sales of the mini so they can't be totally compared with the other variants.
In the US the Max is better than OK, unless they are purposely limiting supply. I can't find any Maxes in a large radius. I can find the other three at least in some form.
The battery life would have been worse. The 12 mini got panned for its battery life. Things got better with the 13 mini, but still not enough to drive sales.
It's OK to good, but not amazing, supposedly. It's likely supply constrained.
The Max is available at my local Apple Store in Toronto for pickup this Friday, Sept. 16, albeit only in the 1 TB size.
I won't be ordering until mid-October though, since that's when my credit card will start providing insurance on cell phones.
Not even a little true. In our household we have 1 mini amongst 4 users. We'd have 3 (and maybe 4) if the mini were Pro (specifically in terms of the cameras).
In our household the battery wasn't at all a reason why only 1/4 of us have the mini. It was the cameras.