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Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'

The 14 plus is the perfect phone for my older relatives who need more screen and who jack up the font sizes…

They are literally never going to pay $900+ for a phone, sorry Apple.
 
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switz said:
Will be ordering a mini for my wife as we now have to revert back to carrying two phones with the loss of an actual sim card slot on the new "Pro" models. We travel and need the SIM card capability in parts of the world that have never even heard of an eSim let alone use them.
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Have you tried Airalo for data in countries. I’m travelling and have yet to find a country they don’t support. It’s an app
 
no wonder, the pro max is only $200 more
so you naturally buy the pro max
except in canada dollars after tax the pro max is $1750
realized in a flash that i have gone insane and cancelled my order
$1750 for a phone ?
have i lost it ?
even the plus is $1400 after tax
sticking with my XR for now
with my next pair of hearing aids i will be looking at android
 
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slomojoe said:
no wonder, the pro max is only $200 more
so you naturally buy the pro max
except in canada dollars after tax the pro max is $1750
realized in a flash that i have gone insane and cancelled my order
$1750 for a phone ?
have i lost it ?
even the plus is $1400 after tax
sticking with my XR for now
with my next pair of hearing aids i will be looking at android
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My wife has the XR and we'll be upgrading her phone, but IMO it still is a strong performer. The CPU is very good, and the 3 GB RAM is adequate for mainstream use. It also gets iOS 16.

The main reason she wants the upgrade is for the bigger size and better camera.
 
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MacDevil7334 said:
If that were truly the case, people should be rushing out to buy the new Plus model. It solves that problem.
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The Plus will likely sell quite well, just not so much at launch. At others have said, launches tend to skew toward the higher end for enthusiasts, whereas the mainstream market skews to the lower priced units over the course of the year. That's basically what happened with the iPhone XR.
 
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EugW said:
My wife has the XR and we'll be upgrading her phone, but IMO it still is a strong performer. The CPU is very good, and the 3 GB RAM is adequate for mainstream use. It also gets iOS 16.

The main reason she wants the upgrade is for the bigger size and better camera.
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the xr is a fine phone, i just want a bigger screen, period, don't care about the camera at all, just a bigger screen, but yeah, keeping the xr, put os 16 on it, maybe buy a new case and it looks brand new to me ...

$1750 for a phone ?

better put me in a rubber room and take away my credit card for my own protection
 
EugW said:
The Plus will likely sell quite well, just not so much at launch. At others have said, launches tend to skew toward the higher end for enthusiasts, whereas the mainstream market skews to the lower priced units over the course of the year. That's basically what happened with the iPhone XR.
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This is a good point. Also Apple may have priced the Plus too close to the Max. Many people may see the extra features of the Max to be worth an extra $200. I certainly would if I were deciding between the two.
 
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Peter_M said:
For every price hike the excuse is the same "weak currencies in Europe" or "strong US dollar". However, every time the currencies balance out, Apple never lowers the price again. Instead, they keep increasing the prices again and again.
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NOK has been loosing its value against USD since 2011.

USD increase compared to NOK:

6 months: +12%
1 year: +14%
5 years: +26%
10 years: +71%

And most likely NOK will weaken against the dollar even for for the next 6 months.
 
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hans1972 said:
NOK has been loosing its value against USD since 2011.

USD increase compared to NOK:

6 months: +12%
1 year: +14%
5 years: +26%
10 years: +71%

And most likely NOK will weaken against the dollar even for for the next 6 months.
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Holy crap! +71% in a decade? Why? Oil prices or something? How has that affected Apple pricing in Norway? I had no idea it was that bad.
 
I can't help feeling a bit of schadenfreude. They should have stuck with the Mini (my favorite iPhone ever) rather than this redundant Plus model. :p
 
I think it’s a little too early to call product strategy a failure on pre-order data alone.

And if sales don’t meet expectations there are other contributing factors to consider, such as changes in consumer spending because the price of everything is ridiculous right now, and a maturing smartphone market.
 
xpxp2002 said:
No. Not true at all.

I own a 12 mini, 13 mini, and 13 Pro; so I can speak to exactly where they missed the mark. The problem with the mini is that it's missing the Pro features.

We don't want a compromised and gimped version of the current iPhone missing the good camera or the better display. We want the same ProMotion display, the telephoto lens, and the Pro features in a reasonable size -- just like we used to get with the iPhone prior to the Pro models when all iPhone sizes were essentially the same product with a different chassis and screen size.

Anybody who wants a cheaper iPhone can buy the SE. The portion of the market that Apple keeps missing is that there are people who want the flagship phone, but don't want to carry around a 200+ gram lead brick that doesn't even fit in pockets and can't be used one-handed the way every iPhone prior to the move to 6.1" was able to be.
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The problem with bringing all the Pro features the Mini is that you would end-up making it thicker and heavier (I.e. not as “mini” as it currently is). The Pro camera module would be a huge bump on a Mini body and add some weight, and you would also need a thicker and heavier battery to preserve battery life as some of those features are a bit more power hungry. A steel body as opposed to an aluminium one would also make it even heavier.
 
lovehateapple said:
At least part of the reason for low pre-orders is the fact most consumers are (already) tapped out. Smart phones are a mature market, meaning everyone already has one and the expense of upgrading isn't worth it. When high def flat screen tvs came out and prices dropped to where most people could afford one, everyone went out and bought them. Then manufacturers thought they could get everyone to replace their tvs again with 3D, marginally thinner units, 4K resolution, or faster refresh rates. The end result is consumers got upgrade fatigue. The same thing is happening / has been happening with smart phones.
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Why do you think that has just been triggered now versus last year or the year before?
The whole "smartphones are mature" argument has been around since iPhone 5.
 
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