They do. It’s called an iPad. Why stop at 7”? Why not 8”, 9” or 15”? Not trying to put you down. I just really want to know at what size is the screen too big for people?
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Kuo: Next Year's iPhone Lineup Won't Include a Mini Model
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Yes, coming from a 7, the mini has fantastic battery life, best I’ve ever had in an iPhone.
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What a terrible time to release the mini, stores closed or limited interaction. People that haven't had the chance to hold a mini may not realize how AMAZING it is. I also hold my belief that it should have been a PRO model. Some users will ONLY get phones with the best camera(s).
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What a terrible time to release the mini, stores closed or limited interaction. People that haven't had the chance to hold a mini may not realize how AMAZING it is. I also hold my belief that it should have been a PRO model. Some users will ONLY get phones with the best camera(s).
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fan>>>gonna fan>>>. People take stuff so personally. So MacRUMORS reports on a RUMOR that the mini is not going to continue. People take it like MacRUMORS killed their children. It's only a phone get over it. You bought one, not alot of other people did. It does not make you any less of a human. It's quite funny. Fact is, selling a million or two is not enough for apple to keep it at it's current price or state. Expect it will be the new SE. Not directed at you dwalls, but at the person you were quoting. I was agreeing with you!.
I'm hoping the next SE will be a shrunken down XR - i.e. more like the form factor of the X - with the Touch ID from the iPad Air, but... You're right. That's not at all what the SE is at all.
As you say, the SE phones:
- Take a well-loved form factor that has sold in huge volumes.
- Where it can be tweaked to use a variety of Apple's latest and greatest (mass produced) processors and now very cheap other components.
- And finally, to have the existing production lines for the model that it's based on, tweaked also.
So I'd agree - I'd be very surprised if the next SE isn't heavily based off the XR (or 11) with that year's processor.
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Do you have anything else to reason with other than just responding with “Another mini owner”? It doesn’t really make your reasoning much better....
Anyway, to take away 3 misconceptions that still seem to persist strongly here:
1) The iPhone SE doesn’t outsell the Mini, in fact the Mini sells better than the SE.
2) Then, “selling poorly” is a very relative term.... The 12 mini is currently the number 8 top selling smartphone world wide, with only 3 android phones above it! In other words, they are selling millions and millions of these units. The mini sells better than most top Android manufacturers dream to sell...
3) “The iPhone mini has poor battery life”. This is totally untrue. In fact it has much (MUCH) better battery life compared to the iPhone X, XS, 8 and SE. It’s only slightly behind very large phones (like the ‘normal’ iPhone 12 and max phablet versions), which makes sense because it is smaller than those. It still manages to outperform all those other models in battery life, due to the latest tech. With light usage you can easily cover two days on one charge.
Do you have anything else to reason with other than just responding with “Another mini owner”? It doesn’t really make your reasoning much better....
Anyway, to take away 3 misconceptions that still seem to persist strongly here:
1) The iPhone SE doesn’t outsell the Mini, in fact the Mini sells better than the SE.
2) Then, “selling poorly” is a very relative term.... The 12 mini is currently the number 8 top selling smartphone world wide, with only 3 android phones above it! In other words, they are selling millions and millions of these units. The mini sells better than most top Android manufacturers dream to sell...
3) “The iPhone mini has poor battery life”. This is totally untrue. In fact it has much (MUCH) better battery life compared to the iPhone X, XS, 8 and SE. It’s only slightly behind very large phones (like the ‘normal’ iPhone 12 and max phablet versions), which makes sense because it is smaller than those. It still manages to outperform all those other models in battery life, due to the latest tech. With light usage you can easily cover two days on one charge.
Well, I survived on my 1st generation iPhone SE for almost five years before Apple offered a proper "small" follow-up, I guess I can wait it out on my iPhone 12 Mini for an equal amount of time before Apple decides to release another small phone.
At least two of my coworkers (at a startup with about 20 employees) bought the 12 Mini and they don't frequent MR.
I understand that those of us who like the Mini are a minority. Being in the minority doesn't mean you're not important though. Especially when there are still millions in said minority.
Exactly.
And when you offer three different sizes of phones across four models... not all of them can be a hit.
It was never gonna be 25%, 25%, 25%, 25% equally for the 12 Mini, 12, 12 Pro, and 12 Pro Max.
While I personally don't want a Mini... I know there are some people who do. Not a big percentage... but they are there. Apple could sell 10 million or 15 million Minis per year out of the 200 million they sell.
Is that enough to keep the Mini around? I dunno.
I guess Apple thinks that if they don't offer a Mini... people will get the regular iPhone 12 instead.
What are they gonna do... get an absurdly large phone from one of the Android manufacturers?
Sure, I'll just tell my hands to get with the times too.
Are you aware that some people use their phones as actual mobile devices, not movie theaters for their sofas?
Correct, and beside the point. Your question was if we’d seen anyone outside tech forums want a phone smaller than an iPhone X. And my answer, independent of my own opinion, is yes, many. Literally every 12 buyer and prospective buyer I know, not a single one of whom is on tech forums.
It really doesn't fit into most pockets. I used to buy a new phone every 1-2 years. When I got the X, I ended up keeping it longer even though the form-factor was the most uncomfortable and difficult to use. But without an up-to-date, normal-sized phone to upgrade to in 2018, 2019, and 2020, I had no choice. I'm not going to downgrade to an iPhone 8 or SE for a worse camera, especially by the time 2020 came around. I was ready for a faster processor, 5G, and the improved cameras of the 11 Pros by then. I just wasn't going to spend another $1249 to continue lugging around a large, heavy brick.
I'll tell you what's going to happen. Instead of these customers dropping $800-900/year on a new 5.4" iPhone every year or two as I would be doing, they're going to buy the last mini that will be coming out, this year, and then spend $0 with Apple for 4+ years. Possibly longer. That's what I'm going to do, and in the other thread several others said they would be doing as well.
The 12 mini may not be a blockbuster in sales, but there's no way it isn't profitable at its current price. If Apple thinks they're going to force upsell people who are tired of lugging around phablets into buying a $1000+ Pro model next year and beyond by eliminating the reasonably-sized option, they are going to alienate those customers and lose out on their money altogether.
I still say that there is a good chance the iPhone 12 mini evolves into the iPhone SE (3rd generation). The production tooling is already fully paid for, and except for replacing Face ID with a iPad Air 4-style Touch ID on an enlarged power button, it would be the perfect iPhone for many users. Mind you, they may replace the dual-sensor rear camera system with an improved single-sensor rear camera to reduce costs, though.
My mother clung onto my old iPhone 5c for a long time before I was able to convince her that the 2nd generation iPhone SE wasn't much bigger, as she was concerned newer phones were bigger than she'd be able to use.
If the iPhone 12 Mini wasn't so expensive I would have talked her into that, but she was already balking at the iPhone SE's $400 price tag, and almost went Android until T-Mobile threw a promotion her way.
I work as an iOS developer. Almost everyone one my team who uses iOS as their primary phone, uses a 12 mini.
And it's not because they can't afford a 12 pro max.
So basically the "F*** you, got mine." argument. Neat.
Nobody says you aren't important. But if Apple decides to discontinue that form factor, it may be because sales don't make up for the development and production cost of the device (or at least not enough to make it economically feasible).
Have you noticed the tone of some of the people posting comments here? You might not be saying that the minority isn't important, which is a good thing, but some people here sure are implying that. I don't get why some people are so ecstatic about the mini being scrapped when its continued existence doesn't affect them whatsoever.
Yeah having owned both, the Mini is definitely a nicer experience with a significantly better battery life and camera and an even more pocket friendly size. I love mine and it pains me that this is the last year buyers will have this option.
Unfortunately I think it’s possible
people looked at the mini and didn’t see a full fledged iPhone 12 in a smaller package. They saw it as the next iPhone SE, but way too expensive.
Wow. These comments add so much to the conversation.
I have a Mini and love it. I think there is no middle ground on this model. I will probably get the iPhone 13 Mini as well. I finally got to fly with it, and I can say it was amazing traveling. It's the perfect size for people that really don't use their phones for heaving lifting. I have iPads for that.
I would buy that. I'm a 12 mini user and that sounds like a time I will be ready to upgrade.