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Such as? I prefer Lufthansa as it is, but if they are flying to the USA, they are still bound to the same rules. The no screen thing was a being pitched to the industry as a whole. So...
The golden rule of civilized aviation is providing you with metallic cutlery. You will have to search for that.

What rules prevent installing IFE ?
 
You don't seem to understand the issue. There was evidence recently uncovered that terrorists (im guessing isis but I'm not certain on that) were going to hide bombs inside laptops. No one is worried about the laptop batteries exploding due to manufacturer defect. They are worried about actual bombs.
No one?
I'd be more worried if the bomb goes off in the cargo hold vs the cabin, or the intentional tampering of the lithium battery to cause a fire. At least in the cabin you have a fighting chance to extinguish the fire.
However, it shouldn't be getting on the plane in the first place if the real concern is about bombs in laptops.
There's a lot more to this than we're being told... as usual.
 
So are you specifically saying all Muslims are Terrorist then?

Your post is exactly what is wrong with this world.
Agreed. That was a jaw dropping bit of writing.
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Another thought: the goal of terrorists is to make us act with a feeling of fear in our everyday life;
Quite frankly I'd add most governments as well.
 
Exact triggering vs remote triggering. Contrary to popular film, the cargo bay of a plane kills any signal. It's the same reason liquids and whatnot were banned from carry ons years ago.
Time & pressure switches can still be set to go off in cargo hold, no signal required.
Besides, who needs laptop bombs, when a fake 1ltr bottle of scotch / PLX / nitro will do the job so much better.

Either they can successfully check ALL luggage or not. Putting it in cargo vs cabin does not make it safe.
 
The golden rule of civilized aviation is providing you with metallic cutlery. You will have to search for that.

What rules prevent installing IFE ?

I have flown everything from first class on down.

Sadly I don't make enough money to have a private jet so.... I guess I will stick to plastic.

None, you missed the point of my previous post. Airlines are installing IFE but they are using streaming technologies to go directly to your device rather than have it go to a seat back screen. American had stated they were going to remove the screens as they were costly and nobody was using them. Delta already has a GoFly App that you install to interact with their system and it worked great on my last flight back to the USA. My point was that if they ban laptops, pads and phones they are going to have to keep those screens (or not and people have to read books).
 
Your luggage and your hand luggage are check in the same way, so not a bad remark after all.

The other thing is you could use a device with a barometer so as soon as the explosive device hit a certain altitude it would go off. That said the device needs to be detected before it gets on the airplane, doesn't matter if its in a terrorist luggage or in his hands.
 
The other thing is you could use a device with a barometer so as soon as the explosive device hit a certain altitude it would go off. That said the device needs to be detected before it gets on the airplane, doesn't matter if its in a terrorist luggage or in his hands.


Pretty sure this was in a movie.
 
I have flown everything from first class on down.

Sadly I don't make enough money to have a private jet so.... I guess I will stick to plastic.

None, you missed the point of my previous post. Airlines are installing IFE but they are using streaming technologies to go directly to your device rather than have it go to a seat back screen. American had stated they were going to remove the screens as they were costly and nobody was using them. Delta already has a GoFly App that you install to interact with their system and it worked great on my last flight back to the USA. My point was that if they ban laptops, pads and phones they are going to have to keep those screens (or not and people have to read books).
It is not true that you only find plastic cutlery on airlines.

I understood your point. What is wrong if for airlines to assume that everybody flies carrying something bigger that a phone (and even a phone itself).

US airlines might be BYOD freaks, but that is not the case in Europe. I am not talking about narrowbodies as IFE is rarely installed and people don't miss it on a short flight.
 
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Looking forward to twiddling my thumbs with nothing to do but forcefully watch advertisements on a blurry screen 5 inches from my face, during my next 12 hour flight.

It's worse than that. If you need your laptop, expect it to be stolen from your checked luggage. I would never put anything remotely valuable in checked luggage. They're allowed to open it even if you have locks on your luggage and guess what? There are thieves working in the airports. Good luck proving it was in there to begin with or that they stole it. Hell, your checked baggage can be grabbed by anyone when it comes onto the carousel even. And then there's the matter of the way they throw your checked luggage around like it's a sack of potatoes. It could be damaged in handling as well. Nice system.

There are these things called books.

If you don't get motion sick reading while in a moving vehicle. Personally, if I try to read while I'm in a car, I tend to get motion sick eventually. I really wouldn't want to try to read a book while flying. I don't use a notebook in a plane regardless, but as stated above, I wouldn't trust my laptop to survive in checked luggage, especially a $3000 Macbook Pro (what a 15" model costs now with a reasonable amount of storage on it).
 
It is not true that you only find plastic cutlery on airlines.

I understood your point. What is wrong if for airlines to assume that everybody flies carrying something bigger that a phone (and even a phone itself).

US airlines might be BYOD freaks, but that is not the case in Europe.

Yes, I am well aware, but I can't afford to fly first class all the time and my company won't pay for that.

There is talk that it is going to be all electronic devices, not just laptops (at least that is what is floating around the office).

FYI, I live in Germany so I get your point as well.
 
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Yes, I am well aware, but I can't afford to fly first class all the time and my company won't pay for that.
You don't need to fly intercontinental first class to get metallic cutlery. I think I even had it on economy not that long ago.
 
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Everyone hates the rule until a bomb goes off. I feel bad for the intelligence community. A lot of cat and mouse.

Yeah sure. Those very, VERY dangerous batteries magically won't explode when they are checked in, they can only explode in the cabin ... American physics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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So are you specifically saying all Muslims are Terrorist then?

Your post is exactly what is wrong with this world.

Your denial of the reality surrounding current issues is what's wrong with this world.

Asserting that global terrorism is not primarily a phenomenon of Muslim fundamentalism is rather delusional.
 
Not 100% sure but i think it was Emirates a couple of years ago where we had metal cuttlery in economy class.
 
The other thing is you could use a device with a barometer so as soon as the explosive device hit a certain altitude it would go off. That said the device needs to be detected before it gets on the airplane, doesn't matter if its in a terrorist luggage or in his hands.

You could also do this with a..........(drum rolls)........yes, a barometer, no computer device needed!
 
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Slumping the US travel industry since 2017.

Uh, no, much farther back than 2017. When the TSA came along, I stoped flying. It's the TSA from day one, not just this year.
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Terrorists may not be everywhere but they sure are in a lot of places and killing lots of people.
Terrorists have a history of building bombs into electronic devices, handing them off to pregnant girlfriends that are then duped into taking them onto planes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair

And again with this event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

1986 and 1988... that's the best scare tactic / terrorist FUD you could do?

The USA is in looney tunes mode where the word "terrorist" is involved.
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Another thought: the goal of terrorists is to make us act with a feeling of fear in our everyday life; it is unclear they do have any more constructive agenda at this point; by adding ever more stupid rules, we are just giving the only victory they can get, is it not ironic ?

That's exactly what's been happening since 2001. Terrorism apparently works very well to make other countries dump their supposed freedoms in exchange for a hollow sense of control.
 
This is going way too far. If they really were concerned with the batteries being in good health then they might as well ban all cell phones too because the Note 7 is more dangerous than any laptop made in the last decade. It's not even safety at this point, it's paranoia from people who have no idea how the world works. If I'm in a plane for 10+ hours, I better have something to do in the meantime. Well, whatever. Let's hope that this ban doesn't apply to flights within Canada, or else I'll be really pissed.
It is not the safety of the batteries they are concerned with, it is the fact that the terrorists are finding ways to basically gut them and put bombs into them that look like real circuitry or so the claim goes. But how long before they figure out how to do this with cell phones?

Really, what we need to do is to get smarter about security and screening than we currently are doing and that might involve having security guards in plain clothes after the checkpoint that simply engage passengers in conversation and learn things that way or it might involve asking more questions about their travel plans, etc.

The problem is that I suspect the real motive behind this particular ban is money and it is based off of one line from this article that most seem to have glossed over:
Airports and airlines in Europe have reportedly already been working on plans for an extension of the ban since it was first announced.
Notice that airports and airlines are pushing for the extension of the ban and now ask yourself why. The answer is fairly obvious, they are hoping that if these items are banned on a plane that you will spend money on their inflight entertainment system, possibly buy more alcohol, etc.

Ultimately though, if Elon Musk is successful with his Hyperloop technology we may see the elimination of air travel or at least a massive reduction in it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop

And there are other companies working on similar concepts, such as Daryl Oyster that thinks he can get people from the U.S. to India in 3 hours for only $50:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article...ld-travel-from-us-to-india-in-3-hours-for-50/

But ultimately they will need security screenings as well because if you damage them in route, you could end up destroying the entire system until it can be repaired unless they are coming up with ways to prevent that. So really we need to figure out now how to be smarter about security.
 
Loving all these stupid comments hating on President Trump, as if he's to blame for terrorism, or is puppeteering the DHS. The Euros in here decrying the right to own firearms in the US as a security concern is downright laughable.

Europe has created its own terrorism problems by taking in tens of millions of illiterate, unskilled migrants from undeveloped Muslim countries. It boggles my mind how they still wonder how things like the Christmas attacks or Sweden bus massacre happened...

The ignorance in here is so thick you could cut it with a butter knife.

The thickness of the ignorant bigotry in your post suggests an equal thickness of the ignorant bigotry wall in your thinking processes, blocking you from receipt of better data.
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Ultimately though, if Elon Musk is successful with his Hyperloop technology we may see the elimination of air travel or at least a massive reduction in it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop

Have you read the criticisms on that article?
 
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