He will negate that this will ever happen, just like folks in here negated that DMA, DSA and third-party payments would pass, then simply ? and ? at the corner.
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Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri
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Since you want to call me a liar here is a screenshot of the message I get when I attempt full screen video on any other browser besides Safari.
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My point is specifically that nobody's right, including Apple. So let there be a choice of platforms and the market will drift in the direction of more right.
I guess I've always given Europe the benefit of the doubt and seen their past approaches to regulation as being more high minded and rational than the US or other countries. But you could be right-- maybe there isn't a good reason for this, maybe it's just stupid.
In the EU Apple will also have to allow users to roll back iOS versions.
Adieu “Apple stopped signing iOS version X” MacRumors headlines. ❤️🤘
Adieu “Apple stopped signing iOS version X” MacRumors headlines. ❤️🤘
The govt bureaucrats who wish to impose this will never pay a penalty if it goes wrong. Thats the biggest problem. They can use their power without any consequence.
We will look back on this as the golden age of phones before govts screwed it all up. Apple you should have bought more politicians. You got to play their game.
We will look back on this as the golden age of phones before govts screwed it all up. Apple you should have bought more politicians. You got to play their game.
So you want choice to buy something with no choice? Nice.
I was just able to open a full-screen YouTube video in Firefox on my iPhone without issue, but I run into this message on Safari on macOS sometimes and usually the video goes full-screen once you click the button again (even if it's grayed out). I figure it'd be the same if you tapped the button again. Probably something to do with WebKit and/or YouTube's player. Almost like Apple should allow third-party browser engines on iOS, huh…
Thats the monopoly that everyone should be worried about since historically its the one that leads to actual problems. But here we are trying to make it so Sony can no longer have a digital store because they were forced to allow loading from everywhere and sweating about digital marketplace monopolies. Ridiculous.
If I dont like how apple does stuff....I find a new platform. Its super easy. Imagine calling a politician to solve a problem you can solve yourself.
This has been said countless of times, but I’ll repeat it: I buy into Apple‘s ecosystem and I get what I expect. I know that when I buy an iPad, the only way to install software is via the App Store. I don’t expect anything else.
If this is such a problem with Apple, video game console manufacturers should be treated the same way and let me sideload games onto it without having to mod the system. But you know that’s never gonna happen, right?
If this is such a problem with Apple, video game console manufacturers should be treated the same way and let me sideload games onto it without having to mod the system. But you know that’s never gonna happen, right?
They dont give politicians enough money. The tech giants dont understand how the graft works yet for these politicians. They will figure it out eventually.
Yes. I think you don't understand how choice works. You don't go and buy an ice cream sundae thinking you'll choose the flavor later. The choice is at the platform level. If you want to buy Neapolitan so you can pick your flavor spoonful buy spoonful, go for it. If I want chocolate and only chocolate, I don't need the government telling me "all ice cream sold must be Neapolitan".
All of the suggestions sound right. About time and and all monopolies are de-throned and forced to compete fairly. The wheels of EU/EEZ grind very slowly, but they never stop grinding.
There is a lot to like about this proposed law, but it will kill competition in the browser market. Chrome-based browsers already dominate the marketplace. Only Webkit provides real competition due to Apple forcing browsers to use it for iOS and iPadOS.
And nobody will take your right to continue stuffing money into Tims throat.
You realize the "actual" Chinese government has forced Apple to remove Apps they don't like, right?
That wouldn't be possible if installing software of your choosing on iOS was allowed.
Ah yes, what's more American than politicians and big business working together to screw consumers. They'll figure it out eventually..
Personally I'm glad big business on the working end of the stick this time, rather than consumers or small companies.
I don't think you gotch me.
Nonsense ≠ analogy ≠ hyperbole.
I'm not sure which end you consider the working end, but if you think it's the bad end, you're not seeing this clearly. Apple isn't going to be hurt by this— the EU is guaranteeing them a market. There are a very small number of companies capable of building devices able to meet these complex requirements and Apple is one of them. They'll make whatever they need to for people to buy it, and if nobody wants it they'll move on to something else or close down and spend their days in comfortable retirement.
The bad end of the stick is consumers who face a more homogenized marketplace, and any potential Apple competitors who have a whole new level of complexity they need to achieve to legally compete in the EU. The EU has decided the world has enough smartphone makers, and they're pushing to commodify the existing players.
Your analogy was so hyperbolic as to be nonsense. None of those things are mutually exclusive.
The world already decided that the world has enough smartphone makers. Just like the world decided two decades ago that we have enough desktop operating system makers, browser makers, Office software makers...
Natural monopolies are very real things. Pity that the EU is the only government entity willing to acknowledge this.
Apple will follow the law and do whatever it takes to remain in that market. They might kick and scream in the courts for a bit, but at the end of the day Apple shareholders aren't going to accept Tim Cook forgoing Apple's $89 billion take in the EU marketplace. That's a quarter of Apple's worldwide revenue. Shareholders also won't accept Apple artificially hobbling their EU products out of spite, because consumers won't accept that either and that would have a nearly equally dire effect on Apple's aforementioned $89 billion in that market.
My mother-in-law just got a Xiaomi,this week i helped her to get her stuff out of her iPhone 8. So far she likes it a lot.
Looking forward to more competition!
Looking forward to more competition!