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No phone, from any manufacturer, has anything that truly benefited the everyday user for a few years. Phones are mature tech and have been for a while now.

I don't think I agree. I will gladly pay for innovation, but a new camera? That is iterations updates (not even upgrades if you ask me). Samsung fold and flip does that. Sure, the technology is not perfect - but at third iteration they actually made a lot of R&D like actually making the thing water resistant. I am not saying that Apple should do foldable (I do hope they do though), but it is the mindset that I really have not seen Apple do for ages.

We are getting a new iteration watch, phone, and AirPods. Nobody wiped the slate clean and say "lets think this from the ground up".

This is why I miss Steve the most.

Well “truly benefit” is very subjective, but I mostly agree with Sorinut, personally. The last real game changer for me, and consequently the last feature that got me to upgrade my iPhone even though it was still otherwise very functional, was Apple Pay—mostly for its security (after having to deal with credit card fraud multiple times) but also for its convenience (hopefully will one day it will allow me to ditch my wallet completely). Before that was Touch ID (not having to enter in the passcode every time was huge for me). Since then no improvements have seemed nearly as beneficial to my life, but just nice to have.
 
Another year, and another lack luster update to battery life (it seems) to the iPhone. Apple keeps putting lipstick on the pig........ Apple, its 2021, we should have multi day battery life on both phone AND watch by now.......👺
The the "problem" with Apple. Unlike Android OEMs, Apple doesn't start with battery capacity. Apple basically has a set of battery life goal (which seemingly out of date for today's standard, seeing the paltry battery of the SE), and then they adjust the battery capacity of the iPhones to meet that goal. If you compare the battery life claims of iPhones by Apple, they are usually around the same ballpark year after year, no significant difference.

Problem is, not only people's usage are more and more battery intensive (eg. scrolling tiktok endlessly), we still have the battery aging and losing capacity over time. Apple's own battery life claim would not be achievable by the second or third year of the phone's life.
 
I don't think I agree. I will gladly pay for innovation, but a new camera? That is iterations updates (not even upgrades if you ask me). Samsung fold and flip does that. Sure, the technology is not perfect - but at third iteration they actually made a lot of R&D like actually making the thing water resistant. I am not saying that Apple should do foldable (I do hope they do though), but it is the mindset that I really have not seen Apple do for ages.

We are getting a new iteration watch, phone, and AirPods. Nobody wiped the slate clean and say "lets think this from the ground up".

This is why I miss Steve the most.

We'll have to wait and see what they really offer next week.... But I *think* the 13 will do a bit more than just give a better camera. I read a lot about the 5G chipset in the 12 really drawing a lot of battery power, while the 13 should have a more energy efficient 5G chip. So that, alone, is meaningful for people as 5G becomes more of a standard.
 
Great, now the ones who were complaining about the lack of 120Hz will now complain about the battery life being worse than last year's model.
 
Will be paying close attention to whatever Apple says about the Back Wide & Telephoto Cameras, & in particular, their image sensors.

If that other Leaker is correct, I'm now more excited about next year's iPhone 14 with the Punch-Hole Front Camera !

I want that !!!

And, TouchID under Glass, too !

And, Wi-Fi 6E support, too !

Next year's model could be the one to get !

Apple needs to hit it out of the Park on Sept 14th to move the needle !
 
Had my 12 on release day and it’s still at 100% battery health. My tip is to never charge past 90% and I never charge overnight.

my daily routine,
- HomeKit smart plug starts charging at 06:00-07:00, (5W plug)
- Car charges it for 30 mins whilst I’m using CarPlay.
- wireless charger on my office desk to 90%
- Shortcut pings my phone and watch to say it’s at 90% so I stop it charging.
- After some time using it throughout the day, I charge again in the car on the way home and that’ll last me all night until bed.
Hey I don’t think it matters. My iPhone 12 Pro - charge every night fully and take off in morning. 100% no issues.
 
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We'll have to wait and see what they really offer next week.... But I *think* the 13 will do a bit more than just give a better camera. I read a lot about the 5G chipset in the 12 really drawing a lot of battery power, while the 13 should have a more energy efficient 5G chip. So that, alone, is meaningful for people as 5G becomes more of a standard.

We can hope!
 
I’m tired of my 11 Pro max - it’s too big. Annoying that I would miss out on top specs simply because I have small hands.
 
Am I missing something? Regardless of whether smaller/larger iPhones have been exactly the same in the past (I think they’ve almost always had some disparity though)—isn’t it scientifically indisputable that a larger device means more space for more/larger components and more thermal capacity? Isn’t it also scientifically indisputable that more/larger components and more thermal capacity means more potential for power/features?

Therefore, the only two ways that I can see there being absolutely no difference between a smaller and larger phone besides the size, as some people here want, is either the larger phone is artificially handicapped so that there is no disparity, and/or there happens to be no additional features ready at the time of producing the larger phone.

Is that what people are requesting? For Apple to withhold extra capabilities from the larger phone?

That makes zero sense to me. I want the best phone possible in the size that I want. If Apple also sells a huge dinner tray, which therefore has more features, to people who want that, then what does that have to do with me?


Edit- I love when someone “dislikes” but offers no rebuttal lol.
The thing i questioned is how is possible that the 12 Pro couldnt fit sensor shift stabilistation, bigger sensor and 2,5x telephoto but now the same sized 13 Pro, no one is saying that the size doesn’t matter for bigger battery etc. but this just showed that they could make camera features the same last year


 
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I have no interest in the 13s, my 12 Mini is great. but my right OG airpod has long been out of commission. may pick these new ones up. pretty excited to see the watch too, will likely upgrade from my 4.
 
The thing i questioned is how is possible that the 12 Pro couldnt fit sensor shift stabilistation, bigger sensor and 2,5x telephoto but now the same sized 13 Pro, no one is saying that the size doesn’t matter for bigger battery etc. but this just showed that they could make camera features the same last year


Sure it’s always possible that Apple artificially withheld features from the smaller iPhone in order to either make the disparity between the smaller and larger iPhone even greater (I say “even greater” because as I’ve said, logic/science dictates that the larger iPhone should have more potential capability so naturally they would already be disparity of function) or to have something to add to the next year’s smaller iPhone. They could also be withholding features from the larger iPhone in order to add them to next year’s larger iPhone as well.

But for one thing, this withholding theory is very difficult to prove. It’s just based on motive but not actual good evidence. The iPhone 13 getting the sensor that wasn't offered in the iPhone 12 I don’t think is good evidence because that could simply mean Apple either found a way to shrink certain components to make room, and/or they made the phone more power-efficient in order to be able to keep the same battery life while adding the new feature (or they just lowered their battery life standards). After all, no matter what size, phones pretty much always continue to get better year after year, right? So whenever there is a new feature added, it doesn’t seem reasonable to assume it was artificially withheld from the previous phone, even if it was included in a previous larger phone, because (I hope) we’ve established that larger phones naturally lend themselves to more features.

Second, whether or not Apple is withholding from the smaller phone is a bit irrelevant in regards to why the two sized phones are not the same feature-wise. It doesn’t change the fact that the larger phone should always have more potential. In other words, if Apple was artificially withholding the bigger sensor from the iPhone 12, all that means is the larger iPhone had potential for an even bigger sensor. They cannot have the same potential ever.
 
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