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Leopard worse than Tiger!!!

I switched back to Tiger as I was not impressed with the "out of the box" version of Leopard. Very buggy and, I too noted the folders do not retain the views. I can't stand that. Good thing I had the Backup drive to boot back to.

The other thing is that there were so many issues like Keychain not working, the account issue where it removes admin level access in some cases, flash not working with Safari and crashes with Safari, apps run slower and finder is slow to show files and slow to respond. Then we had Disk Utility that can't fix permissions on our machines and just sits there doing nothing.

Oh there was lots more to gripe about but, all is good back on Tiger. I shelved L until I hear things are more stable.
 
My hobby this evening has solidified my love for Leopard! I was downloading new songs, videos, and movies. I utilized Pixelmator, Handbrake, Quicktime, Spaces, Stacks, Quickview, iTunes, and Grab. Essentially, I froze the videos in order to create Artwork in iTunes and the process went wonderfully!

As indicated above Quickview was likely the most powerful tool here. But, Stacks was also a critical piece.

For the first time I felt a terrific increase in productivity using Leopard's functionality.
 
For everything other than DAW or Real Engineering Programs which require the horsepower. Slower and more CPU overloading in Apple's own Logic Studio. More people agree to stay with Tiger where things work better.

I can't even view web sites due to Safari and Flash issues. Poor performance so far. It does look nicer to me. Just waiting for the updates to try it again.
 
quite disappointed in Dock, menu bar, finder lag

i am also very unhappy that they took away our hierarchical dock folder navigation (this guy explained it very well: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4408805/). as for the whole "pro user" thing... i consider myself pretty much a pro user, but i also have a shoddy memory. it's much faster for me to quick see a list of apps or docs within a certain category and realize which one i want, as opposed to typing random things into spotlight that i can't remember instantly.

i use xMenu, but it's a pain to configure, and still slow. i actually really liked having xMenu in one corner of my screen and dock folder menus in another. everything always felt in reach.

this guy at macnn claims to have a workaround allowing the use of the 10.4 Dock (the one that allowed you to navigate more than ONE LEVEL DEEP and wasn't ugly!): http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/351884/stacks-usability/5/#post3518834 [EDIT: i haven't been able to get this to work yet.]

i'm a little hesitant to do this in case there's some unexpected incompatibility between 10.4 Dock and 10.5 Everything Else. but hopefully this or another workaround will pan out. or apple will decide to give back what they took away for no good reason.

has anyone leapt to the Dock's defense regarding the arbitrary icons used for the stacks? tha's just completely... baffling! who on earth would think that was a good idea? since like anybody should who has a large number of apps and docs, i organize them in subfolders, the first items in both my Applications and Documents folders are... more folders. hence they look exactly identical in the Dock.

luckily it was easy to fix that silly menu bar transparency! it makes no sense to me to make something appear transparent when it's fixed, not transient, and when nothing else can occupy that space. so i just added solid color black bars to my desktop pictures. i do wish that they would give us an option in the preferences for this, though.

column view seems to be significantly slower when looking into a folder that hasn't recently been looked into. maybe it's loading quickview data into memory. anyway, that's kind of annoying, and hopefully will be worked out in an update.
 
Update 10.5.1 should be out this week. https://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/07/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-5-1-9b13/

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ac_os_x_10_5_1_pack_over_two_dozen_fixes.html

There are so many know issues about this OS that is almost known or dubbed as Macvista. I want it to work so I can get on with working in it however, at this stage of the game, they have a serious kernel bug and possible engine problem. This is where the hi CPU drain is occurring from what I was told by a developer. They noted it and reported it to Apple. Apparently, Apple already knew about it but let it go as to get it out on time to satisfy some more investor relations. So, look for the updates.

Here is a link to know issues: http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=235
 
cmcken1 said:
Update 10.5.1 should be out this week. https://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/07/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-5-1-9b13/

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ac_os_x_10_5_1_pack_over_two_dozen_fixes.html

There are so many know issues about this OS that is almost known or dubbed as Macvista. I want it to work so I can get on with working in it however, at this stage of the game, they have a serious kernel bug and possible engine problem. This is where the hi CPU drain is occurring from what I was told by a developer. They noted it and reported it to Apple. Apparently, Apple already knew about it but let it go as to get it out on time to satisfy some more investor relations. So, look for the updates.

Here is a link to know issues: http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=235
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Could this explain why I had a kernel panic when nothing was happening? Had mail and Safari open. Went upstairs for a cup of tea and suddenly heard the fans going into hyperstellar overdrive (I'm not kidding). Ran downstairs and there was a message telling me I'd have to shut down.

Tiger crashed maybe twice in two years, but I was always doing something at the time. It never went down when I wasn't at the keyboard. Kind of scary.
 
Leopard is killing my productivity...

I loved Tiger so much that I HAD to have Leopard and so pre-ordered it to have it delivered on the day it was released. My other Mac buds scoffed at me for not waiting for the OS to become stable and called me techno weenie names. I pooh poohed at their cynicism. Now, with my tail between my legs, I have to admit that since upgrading (I am running an Intel MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Dual), I am having over 6 crashes a day... with all the loss of work that entails. What a pain. I first installed Leopard as an upgrade and then did a clean install when the problems started. To no avail, alas. Most of the crashes seem to occur when I am in Firefox or using Audacity, though my Adobe CS3 is also acting badly. Mail is wonky, too. I can't delete messages from my Spam folder and every third or fourth start-up it tells me that due to an error, it must locate and reload my mailboxes. I think I am going to spend the weekend "downgrading" back to Tiger.:(
 
no probs with leopard until today - multiple panics

Sgt Pepper said:
Could this explain why I had a kernel panic when nothing was happening? Had mail and Safari open. Went upstairs for a cup of tea and suddenly heard the fans going into hyperstellar overdrive (I'm not kidding). Ran downstairs and there was a message telling me I'd have to shut down.

Tiger crashed maybe twice in two years, but I was always doing something at the time. It never went down when I wasn't at the keyboard. Kind of scary.
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i've had noooo issues with leopard since installing the week after it debuted. now i've had 3 kernel panics in 4 hours - one while i was typing up this post - and i wasn't even doing anything intensive. during panic number 2 i was also idle for a good 10 min.

like i said, nothing intensive. adium, a torrent app, and firefox. the first panic occurred was while i was reinstalling firefox.

only other odd behavior was last night when i put my mbp to sleep with 100% juice. i came back a couple hours later to find it HOT - hotter than i've ever felt it - and with a drained battery.

santa rosa 2.4 duo mbp
 
Well ive been running Leopard since release day on 3 machines and i have 2 friends who are running it also. 2 of which are business machines and so far, apart from a few little glitches, its been fine. I certainly haven't been experiencing kernel panics or anything like... I would say that I installed Leopard with full knowledge that this sort of thing could happen and I was happy to take the risk...

Im sorry to say it guys but any tech savvy user that didn't have this same frame of mind when installing a brand new OS was being very naive.

Im surprised at the amount of hate being thrown around... These sort of problems are always expected when a new release of an OS comes around.

The guys who are experiencing big problems are quite right to roll back to Tiger for the time being. But its silly to write off Leopard for that...
 
hmmmm?

CavemanUK said:
Well ive been running Leopard since release day on 3 machines and i have 2 friends who are running it also. 2 of which are business machines and so far, apart from a few little glitches, its been fine. I certainly haven't been experiencing kernel panics or anything like... I would say that I installed Leopard with full knowledge that this sort of thing could happen and I was happy to take the risk...

Im sorry to say it guys but any tech savvy user that didn't have this same frame of mind when installing a brand new OS was being very naive.

Im surprised at the amount of hate being thrown around... These sort of problems are always expected when a new release of an OS comes around.

The guys who are experiencing big problems are quite right to roll back to Tiger for the time being. But its silly to write off Leopard for that...
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um no hate here...just passing along info to discuss, not bash.
 
To answer that question about crashing and all that, sure, if the kernel is unstable that means the OS is unstable. The main things are to have solid kernels and make the engines rock solid.

Was out on biz trip for two weeks where I ran into multiple Leopard issues from multiple users. From mail issues to Airport not working etc etc.

Now the update is still creating problems that they will have to patch now like the vanishing home folder fiasco. To fix that one, we have to go into Terminal as the folder all of a sudden takes on hidden attributes. Great.

Mail, the filtering is all off now and it either ALL goes into the spam folder or, all goes into the inbox! Not too big of a deal as I can deal with that but, not the crashing and hanging and oh, repair disk permissions still doesn't work for lots of folks including me.

While I was talking to developers about Leopard, it was noted that Apple really has to get it together and do some major work to this one. I have had one crash in five years and that was due to a bad SATA card. WIth this latest rev, I have seen three and, I only used that drive one to two times!!!!!!!!!
 
cube said:
Enlarging the dock would suck. I can't upgrade at the moment, and looking at the bad GUI "improvements" people report, I'm happy to stay with Tiger.
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Under Leopard you can have two dimensional dock if you wish! I think it just takes time to learn the thing.
 
bahman said:
Under Leopard you can have two dimensional dock if you wish!
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Yes, and soon (hopefully) with CandyBar we'll have beautiful, simply changeable docks both 3D and 2D :)

I can't wait for CandyBar v3, I really don't like Apple's drive icons...
 
Also, space and stack are there to short the length of the dock so you wouldn't hurt your eyes if you use new feature properly.
 
Leopard has real problems

I tried every type of install and leopard ran badly on my imac intel. Mainly error messages and freeze ups. Far too many problems to run. Reinstalled Tiger .. no more problems.
 
When I installed Leopard on my MBP, I wasn't expecting perfection, but I really wasn't expecting Kernel Panics. I kept it installed until the 10.5.1 update came out, and nothing really changed for me -still have disk errors, problems reading my external, airport issues and panics - so I retrograded to Tiger.

No hate here. Just some temporary sadness and I hope some more updates come to Leopard soon so I can say "I'm more productive using Leopard".
 
Curious about a numbers breakdown...

I'm betting the majority of people complaining about Leopard are professionals who are on their machines 8-12 hours a day. Or, am I wrong to assume those who are telling us to stop whining and be patient to let Apple take their time and fix things are people who mostly do word processing, internet browsing and e-mail?

It's one thing to get used to a bunch of useless changes, missing features and lost work habits when you've got all day to enjoy your hobbyist photoshopping. It's another thing completely when you've got a tight schedule to finish projects on or have clients waiting -- and you're forced to re-learn your work flow just to get through the day.

It may seem frivolous to a lot of people, but those extra seconds here and there add up over the course of a day or week.

Think of it this way...Black and Decker becomes the predominant drill on the market by offering it's users a wide range of bits, speeds, grips and other options to allow carpenters the ultimate ability to customize and optimize their own work. For months they advertise and tout the next version of their drill, pounding into your head it's inevitable ability to change your life and drilling experience. Then they release B&D Leopard, a drill which strips away all the options you've gotten used to working with and replaces them with a single bit, a single speed, and a left-handed grip. And, oh, you can't change any of them.

Look, Macs are supposed to "just work". I don't have time to be forced to learn what their geniuses have decided is better for me. Give us the option to utilize those features which made us fall in love with you, get rid of that stupid shelved dock (I did take time to find some script to change that hideous thing), and GIVE ME MY BLUETOOTH BACK! No, 10.5.1 didn't fix my bluetooth issues...all my wireless peripherals are still locking up or dropping off 10 minutes after log-on.

I make my living inside the Adobe Creative Suite, and Leopard has become about as stable as Windows while I run it. Crashes are becoming a real problem/annoyance...something I never had to deal with in Tiger. Thank God InDesign auto saves.

Sure, the overall OS is running a little more zippy...it's not making up for the well-oiled and honed work processes I've developed over the years which I've been forced to drop.

I'll never buy another Mac OS right off the starting line, what a let-down.
 
viddiewell said:
I'm betting the majority of people complaining about Leopard are professionals who are on their machines 8-12 hours a day.
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Professionals should have known not to upgrade to Leopard the instant it came out. If their work relies on Mac OS X, you have to take a pragmatic approach. This is why I installed Leopard only on my home machines, and currently my work machines will stay Tiger until at least Leopard 10.5.3 comes out (and X11 is fixed).
 
viddiewell said:
I'm betting the majority of people complaining about Leopard are professionals who are on their machines 8-12 hours a day.
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Sorry to spoil your bet, but...

As a consultant who depends on a computer for his livelihood, I regularly choose to postpone software upgrades until I fully understand the impact they may have on my current workload. This goes for both operating systems and line-of-business applications regardless of project or platform.

That being said, I personally haven't suffered any setbacks by upgrading to Leopard. In fact, I find that Leopard makes those 8-12 days far more enjoyable. :)
 
MBX said:
i can't believe apple calls it a unix system and then cripples such important options like nested folders in dock. there are pro-users too.
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LOL I can't stop laughing about this one.

As a person that's been using unix for more than 15 years I've used a folder in the dock exactly 0 times. Hardly a "pro" feature of the OS, IMO.

Leopard is very nice. I'm enjoying it.

Oh, and I'm on the machine a good 14 hours a day.

But, I guess I'm not a professional Leopard user. How do you get a job where all you do is use an OS anyway?
 
There's no good reason to upgrade to Leopard if Tiger was doing everything you needed it to do. If you absolutely have to have the "newest" software/hardware, you should be prepared to pay the price as a test pilot.
 
saltyzoo said:
LOL I can't stop laughing about this one.

As a person that's been using unix for more than 15 years I've used a folder in the dock exactly 0 times. Hardly a "pro" feature of the OS, IMO.

Leopard is very nice. I'm enjoying it.

Oh, and I'm on the machine a good 14 hours a day.

But, I guess I'm not a professional Leopard user. How do you get a job where all you do is use an OS anyway?
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I can't either, well more of a chuckle actually.

Last I heard Pro/Power users use keyboard shortcuts. I still to this day prefer Quicksilver.
 
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