Leopard worse than Tiger!!!

[dr_lha]

LOL I can't stop laughing about this one.

As a person that's been using unix for more than 15 years I've used a folder in the dock exactly 0 times. Hardly a "pro" feature of the OS, IMO.

As a UNIX pro/admin/user for 15 years also, I have to agree here, I've said it before on here, but I think the whole "Nested Folder" thing is more appealing to ex-Windows users than anyone else. That way they can stick their Application folder and pretend like its a "Start" Menu.

Personally I feel that nested menus need to be abolished all together, especially ones that have more than 1 level of nesting. Its such an inelegant way to navigate around something.

EDIT: I should also add that I find Stacks useful for one reason only - giving me easy access to my most recently downloaded file. I use it all the time, but its the only stack I do use.

 

[vohdoun]

As a UNIX pro/admin/user for 15 years also, I have to agree here, I've said it before on here, but I think the whole "Nested Folder" thing is more appealing to ex-Windows users than anyone else.

Agreed.

EDIT: I should also add that I find Stacks useful for one reason only - giving me easy access to my most recently downloaded file. I use it all the time, but its the only stack I do use.

Agreed. This was one of the main features for why I wanted Leopard. My desk is not as messy as what it was with Tiger.

It's nothing personal, but I think too many people are learning too many bad habits or the old wrong ways.
Once you learn a bad habit its very hard to change, and as many should know. People hate to change or learn, as well as learn new ways.

 

[saltyzoo]

I think the thread title would be more accurate if "worse" were changed to "different".

 

[netdog]

The title of this thread cracks me up. Trolls get a lot of leeway here.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Overall for me Leopard is a win. Not a huge improvement but it is a little better then Tiger. I don't like most of the new GUI elements as the translucent menu bar and the new dock and the stacks in the dock and the new icons. But I think there are some nice technologies inside that overall are worth the upgrade.

 

[rev316]

I can't believe this thread exists.

Leopard by far has paid for itself.

 

[vohdoun]

The title of this thread cracks me up. Trolls get a lot of leeway here.

...and denial.

 

[jbg232]

Personally I feel that nested menus need to be abolished all together, especially ones that have more than 1 level of nesting. Its such an inelegant way to navigate around something.

Completely disagree - navigating 8 folders deep from the dock using a hierarchical menu is MUCH more elegant than opening up 8 finder windows or any other finder way of doing this... but that's my opinion.

 

[phytonix]

I don't like stacks. They did make it hard for me to access all my Apps.

3D dock looks good for me. I don't like transparent menu bar.

The finder list sidebar is ok, but it is retarded that they don't allow you to rearrenge the order? I use shared sure less than Places, why can't I just put Shared at a lower location?

 

[dr_lha]

Completely disagree - navigating 8 folders deep from the dock using a hierarchical menu is MUCH more elegant than opening up 8 finder windows or any other finder way of doing this... but that's my opinion.

Navigating 8 folders deep using hierarchal menus is the UI equivalent of playing "Operation" though, a terrible way of searching for data IMHO. You might find it convenient, but I strongly disagree with using the word "elegant" with this approach.

 

[jbg232]

Navigating 8 folders deep using hierarchal menus is the UI equivalent of playing "Operation" though, a terrible way of searching for data IMHO. You might find it convenient, but I strongly disagree with using the word "elegant" with this approach.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I honestly don't see how these two images can compare in terms of ease of navigation (courtesy of Macworld Leopard Stacks Review).

Note the cutting off of names making navigating long folder names completely impossible.

 

[Techguy172]

I have only used tiger for a short period of time so i would not know too much about it however i ifind some of leopards issues more annoying than some of vista's, I do however like the Dock and the Menu Bar as well as finder I think it's easy to use and have had little problems. But it has room to improve, Such as overall speed and Airport issues as well as the Keyboard and Expose. However it's not as if the OS is unusable it is good enough for day to day use and most users won't have too much of a problem. It's the Power user who will have problems but it's also the power user who will find flaws and make suggestions to apple that is why apple needs them.

My 2 Cents.

 

[instapro]

Nested Folders

i'm with you there.

i can't believe apple calls it a unix system and then cripples such important options like nested folders in dock. there are pro-users too.

let's hope they bring back a third option with an update soon (fan, grid AND nested folders).

as for the dock. just do the terminal variable posted here many times that enables the 2d dock. much better.

I just tried to put an Alias Folder into Leopards dock and found it acts like Tiger without any option to open with fan or grid. Straight to finder in a single click.

 

[motulist]

I just tried to put an Alias Folder into Leopards dock and found it acts like Tiger without any option to open with fan or grid. Straight to finder in a single click.

Except it doesn't do the one thing that the Tiger Dock did that people actually care about. In the previous OS versions of the Dock you could option-click (or click-and-hold, or right click) on a docked folder (or folder alias) which would pop up a navigable hierarchical list of the folder's contents (see jbg232's post above). In most people's opinion, the original hierarchical list functionality is vastly superior to the current implementation of stacks, which they put in as a replacement to the previous functionality rather than in addition to it.

 

[Big-TDI-Guy]

I made a partition on my drive, enabled file sharing, and installed Tiger.

No regrets. I can even run apps from my Leopard install on my Tiger install - I is happy.

 

[jzajenius]

In this whole thread I'm really suprised that no one mentioned the fact that the top bar looks like it was taken directly from Windows 98! Next thing you know it will turn green and blue!

White>Grey......Blue Apple>Grey Apple etc.....way to make the GUI uglier Apple!

BTW Windows 3.1-95-98/Leopard/Ugly Linux GUI fanboys need not reply.....

 

[Yhtomit]

Hello. I think the problems people are having here (Kernel Panics etc..) are peeps with new MBP's. There seem to be problems with the new Santa Rosa processors and OSX. You can read all about it at www.ableton.com/forum. I have just purchased a new iMac 2.4ghz with 1GB RAM and it came with Leopard and everything is working ok. (iMac does not have the Santa Rosa) No serious problems here. I experience some typical "child problems" with the brand new OS but nothing major. I use the Apple computer for music production. Ableton and Logic with plugin load and no problems.

I do have an issue with the Finder in leopard. Compared to the one in Tiger, this one is veerryyy slow. Especially when viewing/browsing a folder for the first time. It is very annoying because I browse for audio files a lot..... I hope Apple will get this fixed in 10.5.2 !!

Also, Dotmac + Proxy configuration = Pubsubagent error messages. Introduced with 10.5.1 (iI think)

Spotlight and dashboard do use an amount of cpu and RAM but when disabling Spotlight, other stuff starts to act weird because Spotlight seems to be integrated in other osx software... No major problems though, at least not for me. The original Find Tool does still work.

cheers & merry xmas

 

[daneoni]

......I have just purchased a new iMac 2.4ghz with 1GB RAM and it came with Leopard and everything is working ok. (iMac does not have the Santa Rosa).....

Huh?...the new iMacs support 4GB RAM and have an 800MHz FSB. i thought that only came with SR?

 

[peestandingup]

10.2 - 10.4 have been so well designed that I think Apple has reached a point where the OS is getting cluttered and busy. I think they have also lost their vision regarding the GUI. I don't want people to think this is a BAD OS. It is NOT. My post was simply stating that any OS that was going to follow Tiger has really big shoes to fill and IMHO Apple hasn't quite done this with Leopard.

I think it's very sad that users who disagree have to resort to such petty and pointless sledging.

I TOTALLY agree. Tiger was damn near perfect. I feel like with Leopard, Apple just thought up "solutions" to "problems" no one was asking. I mean, the 3D dock, the translucent menu bar, the tiny icons in the Finder's sidebar, why?? And the way stacks are implemented sucks.

I agree, there are some cool features & other things under the hood, but to me they aren't worth it for all the headaches, bugs, annoyances, slowness, etc & I feel like Apple just messed with things just to mess with them & tried to fix what wasn't broken. Microsoft did A LOT of this with Vista, certainly more than Apple did, but Leopard is guilty of it as well.

I downgraded back to Tiger & am sticking with it until Leopard is worthy of calling itself an upgrade.

 

[Quillz]

I TOTALLY agree. Tiger was damn near perfect. I feel like with Leopard, Apple just thought up "solutions" to "problems" no one was asking. I mean, the 3D dock, the translucent menu bar, the tiny icons in the Finder's sidebar, why?? And the way stacks are implemented sucks.

I agree, there are some cool features & other things under the hood, but to me they aren't worth it for all the headaches, bugs, annoyances, slowness, etc & I feel like Apple just messed with things just to mess with them & tried to fix what wasn't broken. Microsoft did A LOT of this with Vista, certainly more than Apple did, but Leopard is guilty of it as well.

I downgraded back to Tiger & am sticking with it until Leopard is worthy of calling itself an upgrade.

Are you the same peestandingup that uploads all the Stevenotes onto YouTube? If so, that's really awesome, I like watching those old broadcasts.

Anyway, shame to hear Leopard isn't working out for you, I think 10.5.2 is very solid, and it fixed many of the biggest issues were having, especially with Stacks. With the "new" List view, Stacks is now essentially what it was in Tiger, but with live thumbnails and additional ways of viewing the content.

Also, Leopard makes many advantages at the kernel level, with it being officially Unix and fully 64-bit. Tiger is neither of these things.

 

[Quillz]

In this whole thread I'm really suprised that no one mentioned the fact that the top bar looks like it was taken directly from Windows 98! Next thing you know it will turn green and blue!

White>Grey......Blue Apple>Grey Apple etc.....way to make the GUI uglier Apple!

BTW Windows 3.1-95-98/Leopard/Ugly Linux GUI fanboys need not reply.....

The menu bar looks nothing like the taskbar from Windows 98. Not only is the color completely different, but so is the design and functionality.

 

[peestandingup]

Are you the same peestandingup that uploads all the Stevenotes onto YouTube? If so, that's really awesome, I like watching those old broadcasts.

Anyway, shame to hear Leopard isn't working out for you, I think 10.5.2 is very solid, and it fixed many of the biggest issues were having, especially with Stacks. With the "new" List view, Stacks is now essentially what it was in Tiger, but with live thumbnails and additional ways of viewing the content.

Also, Leopard makes many advantages at the kernel level, with it being officially Unix and fully 64-bit. Tiger is neither of these things.

He is I & I am him Thanks for watching!

Yeah, I had 10.5.2 before switching back & it did fix a lot of issues, but I'm still not in love with it. I will probably put it back on when it matures a bit more, as I think it'll be great eventually. Im VERY picky when it comes to this sorta stuff.

All the machines I put Leopard on were just acting weird, booting slowly & other things of that sort. The PowerBook that I use for my media center couldn't play some of the higher quality movies smoothly that I ripped using HandBrake anymore, so I said screw that, Leopard's gotta go.

And that was using fresh erase & installs too.

 

[roamy]

Leopard is a piece of *****.
My machine locks
turns itself off
airport can't find it's ass with both hands
they have abandoned the enterprise
they killed webobjects
apparently all the NeXT people have left and they have become a mere
lightweight trinket vendor of nothing but mickey mouse bull*****
I can see why they want to dual boot because it no longer makes a difference what OS you are using - all of them now suck together so they may as well merge all this into one giant cesspool and we can just move on with our lousy crap.

difference between china and apple - nothing

 

[Buttercookie]

I upgraded all three of my macs yesterday. The first macbook was slow and sluggish. That one I archive and installed. I reinstalled with a clean install and I don't see any slow down now.I'm happy with Leopard.

 

[heatmiser]

I TOTALLY agree. Tiger was damn near perfect. I feel like with Leopard, Apple just thought up "solutions" to "problems" no one was asking. I mean, the 3D dock, the translucent menu bar, the tiny icons in the Finder's sidebar, why?? And the way stacks are implemented sucks.

I agree, there are some cool features & other things under the hood, but to me they aren't worth it for all the headaches, bugs, annoyances, slowness, etc & I feel like Apple just messed with things just to mess with them & tried to fix what wasn't broken. Microsoft did A LOT of this with Vista, certainly more than Apple did, but Leopard is guilty of it as well.

I downgraded back to Tiger & am sticking with it until Leopard is worthy of calling itself an upgrade.

Yup. Leopard is to Tiger what Vista is to XP. Both companies took stable, functional OSes and fixed things that didn't need fixing. The only reasons I went from Panther to Tiger were software compatibility and Spotlight. Barring a new essential in Leopard, the only reasons I'll move from Tiger to Leopard will likely be software-related in a couple of years. My favorite part of Leopard is the new skin, but that isn't enough to counterbalance the extra resources the OS demands to do the same things Tiger did, or the host of bugs that come with the OS compared to 10.4.11. The reasons our computers never quite seem to get faster is because we keep weighing them down with fatter and fatter operating systems. The only solutions to this are to either keep buying the fastest computers, or (my preferred method) to keep from "upgrading" to the heavier, slower version of your previous OS until you absolutely have to.