On a C2D iMac it was ~20 minutes. I didn't time it, but it felt like ~20 minutes.
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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?
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On a C2D iMac it was ~20 minutes. I didn't time it, but it felt like ~20 minutes.
Resisting the temptation to tell a Your Mother joke.
I would hope that the install process would have some kind of, "Back up your restore partition" button.
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This is inaccurate. You only need a disc such as slow leopard of you system is completely down. If you have lion you can burn a bootable disc from the image inside the lion package contents. Apple will likely be supporting a separate 'boot partition' for OS and commonly cached files as developed on some intel chips in future so a disc may not be needed down the line anyhow.
This is inaccurate. You only need a disc such as slow leopard of you system is completely down. If you have lion you can burn a bootable disc from the image inside the lion package contents. Apple will likely be supporting a separate 'boot partition' for OS and commonly cached files as developed on some intel chips in future so a disc may not be needed down the line anyhow.
The average consumer also dosen't replace their own hard drive when it fails or reinstall their OS. They take their machine to the store or call one of the kinds of people on this forum.
In which case, we are back to saying "It's not that complicated to show the contents of the Installer.app and burn your own DVD."
For the love of Christ, people. It says you CAN install Snow Leopard first if you have no other alternative.
You can ALSO have a bootable clone of your OS to boot from.
You can ALSO burn the Lion ISO to a DVD or a Flash drive or a separate partition or an SD card and boot from it.
And for people who need to reinstall but aren't replacing the drive, you will be able to boot into the recovery partition and install from there.
There are other ways of installing it. You don't HAVE to by Snow Leopard. And anyone who buys a new Mac after Lion comes out will have a physical recovery disc or flash drive (Time will tell which one) to install from.
My God I can't believe how stupid some of you people think Apple is. They aren't MAKING you buy Snow Leopard and install it. They're saying "If you need to replace the drive and you don't happen to have one of the above mentioned methods available, you can install Snow Leopard and install from there if you want to."
Seriously. Geeze. Way to make a big deal out of nothing MacRumors. For Pete's sake.
Personally, I will either go the "use a bootable clone and install from there" or the "buy a cheap ass 4-8GB Flash drive and burn the Lion ISO directly to it" option. I suggest you all do the same.
You can ALSO have a bootable clone of your OS to boot from.
You can ALSO burn the Lion ISO to a DVD or a Flash drive or a separate partition or an SD card and boot from it.
And for people who need to reinstall but aren't replacing the drive, you will be able to boot into the recovery partition and install from there.
There are other ways of installing it. You don't HAVE to by Snow Leopard. And anyone who buys a new Mac after Lion comes out will have a physical recovery disc or flash drive (Time will tell which one) to install from.
My God I can't believe how stupid some of you people think Apple is. They aren't MAKING you buy Snow Leopard and install it. They're saying "If you need to replace the drive and you don't happen to have one of the above mentioned methods available, you can install Snow Leopard and install from there if you want to."
Seriously. Geeze. Way to make a big deal out of nothing MacRumors. For Pete's sake.
Personally, I will either go the "use a bootable clone and install from there" or the "buy a cheap ass 4-8GB Flash drive and burn the Lion ISO directly to it" option. I suggest you all do the same.
8-9 minutes but I always install from SATA. So around the same as SL takes from SATA.
This is the way it should be. People shouldn't be messing with the original way Apple designed it by putting in extra crap. It's perfect as is.
You have got to be having a laugh right?
The same way you back up all your personal data after your drive dies. (You don't)
Plan ahead.
Yes it would (and hopefully there will be when they discover how stupid this is)
That probably has an element of truth. He has a tendency only to focus on the future, not the present. In many ways, Apple is like his own personal experiment.
Thanks for the info!
So basically restoring Lion to a new HD will take the same amount of time as restoring SL currently would plus about 10-20 minutes.
Not a big deal at all.
In all scenarios the Time Machine restoration is the long step that eats up the day.
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When I upgrade to lion will I lose all the files I have on my laptop?
When I upgrade to lion will I lose all the files I have on my laptop?
Am I the only one that reads other comments? you are not the only person to say that.
That's exactly what I was thinking.... Currently you download the Application, locate the Disk image, and just burn a copy to a blank DVD. Other than that the installation wasn't much different than Snow Leopard. I would think that they might even add a burn to disk option to the installer once it's out to the public. The only difference I can see so far is that Apple will require that you have a current Apple computer to purchase Lion, which was always apart of the EULAs anyways.
I'm in disbelief about this one - either this email is bogus or Jobs hastily sent out a bad answer. I just can't imagine that Apple would be that stupid, but I guess we'll see. Maybe if there's enough backlash Apple will add an option for bootable images before release if it's not in there already.
I would expect exactly what you mention later in your post:
I still don't believe that Apple would ship this without a way to do that. It would be simple enough, just an option in the installer that asks to insert a blank DVD or allows selecting a thumb drive.
Yes. Particularly in the case of machines that shipped with 10.7 and wouldn't include a 10.6 disk. Will those machines come with anything to boot from?
I would expect exactly what you mention later in your post:
I still don't believe that Apple would ship this without a way to do that. It would be simple enough, just an option in the installer that asks to insert a blank DVD or allows selecting a thumb drive.
Yes. Particularly in the case of machines that shipped with 10.7 and wouldn't include a 10.6 disk. Will those machines come with anything to boot from?
Read my post above. This MacRumors article is filled with FUD. That's just ONE of a few methods you can use to reinstall onto a new drive. One of a FEW methods.
It says "Can", people. Not "have to".
Can you link to an Apple knowledge-base article that says you have to always re-install using the media that came with your computer, and using a retail OS disk is not supported by Apple?
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I dont
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Of course not.
Not that it would matter if you did...you DO have an up-to-date Time Machine backup right?
I dont
Not if they are trying to phase out physical media. Wasn't that the main point, not just discs, but all physical media.
Your mother? Mothers don't reinstall operating systems. Hard enough to get them to keep their web browser up to date. More likely scenario is that you get a phone call something like... "This thing keeps popping up telling me that my computer has software updates and it wants me to click something. Can you come over and fix it for me?"
Good question indeed, let's hope there is an option to create a Recovery partition on an USB.
