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Dear Mr. Jobs,

I just wanted to know if there will be a way to install Lion on a new HDD/SSD without previously installing 10.6?

Regards,

Andreas Dantz
Steve's straightforward reply:

Sorry, no.

Sent from my iPhone


No OS should have to rely on a previous version to do a clean install
 
well then it is not a clean install of Lion plan and simple. It is impossible to do a clean install of Lion is seems.
 
Yes, I had to install XP to install Vista in order to do a clean install of W7. That sounds like Microsoft. :rolleyes:

When I did a clean install of Windows 7 on my Boot Camp partition, I had to install it twice since I had an upgrade DVD (I already have a valid Vista DVD). Since the Windows 7 upgrade DVD assumes you are installing it on top of an existing installation, unless there is an existing installation of Windows on the hard drive when you do a clean install, it won't activate.

well then it is not a clean install of Lion plan and simple. It is impossible to do a clean install of Lion is seems.

I believe you can do a clean install from the recovery partition. You only need to go through the Snow Leopard routine if you are installing it on a brand new hard drive that does not have a recovery partition on it. For most Mac users (remember most of us are buying notebooks now), that isn't an issue. Most of us a) never need do a clean install, b) would simply restore a backup if we were buying a new hard drive, or c) still have our recovery DVDs/USB keys in the unlikely event we do need to start absolutely from scratch.

I don't see this being a big issue for most consumers.

Dear Mr. Jobs,

I just wanted to know if there will be a way to install Lion on a new HDD/SSD without previously installing 10.6?

Regards,

Andreas Dantz
Steve's straightforward reply:

Sorry, no.

Sent from my iPhone


No OS should have to rely on a previous version to do a clean install

In that scenario, most of us would simply restore a backup or disk clone. Plus, since Macs that ship with Lion will have Lion restore keys, this is really only an issue for those of us upgrading to Lion. If you purchase an upgrade DVD for Windows 7, you need to "rely on a previous version" of Windows to do a clean install (or go through a confusing double-installation), so this isn't that much different.
 
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Smartest post in this biitch-fest of a thread. I love how it's always the 'Apple loyalists' who whine the hardest when Apple decides to move forward and do something different. It's always them that start threatening that they will abandon Apple if they do X or Y- which of course Apple does- and which subsequently turns out to be a brilliant move and makes Apple even more successful. Guess what- enough with your veiled threats towards the company, you guys have no leverage. For every sale they'll potentially lose from you, they'll make 100 new ones. Stop acting as if you have any influence over the success of the company, are its lifeblood, etc. Its success is being achieved through new users.

Apple is clearly attempting to move away from optical media, and has been doing so for the last few years. Yet, you demand that they include their OS on optical media, which is basically Apple telling people 'actually, ignore what we've been saying the past few ears, you actually need an optical drive to do anything of importance.' Wake the hell up. When tech moves forward, there HAS to be a small period of small inconvenience for some- there always have been in Apple's history, and every single time they come out stronger for it- and every SINGLE time, you people bitch and fight against it. You're whining about absolutely nothing, and I'm sure there will be available options for all of your OMG WHAT IF scenarios.

Guess what? Apple is successful despite all of you whiners, not because of you. I've been on these boards long enough to witness all the times this forum has shown near universal outrage over a product, feature, change in direction, addition, ommission, basically anything that has made its products and the company ore successful. I for one congratulate Apple for having the vision to lead and initiate change, particularly relying our dependance on outdated optical media. Like everything else Apple has done, this will become an industry standards in the next few years.

So, ....what exactly are you trying to say?
 
Your mother? Mothers don't reinstall operating systems. Hard enough to get them to keep their web browser up to date. More likely scenario is that you get a phone call something like... "This thing keeps popping up telling me that my computer has software updates and it wants me to click something. Can you come over and fix it for me?"

Wow, sorry to hear your mom goes through life so lost. However it is sexist and ageist to assume everyone's mom is like that. :rolleyes:
 
Someone should post this on failblog.org

No, he's right. Apple will always offer a restore "disk" of some sort. Whether it's a DVD or a newfangled USB Flash Drive. And it will definitely have Lion on it once it comes out. Whether or not it will be attached to the computer or free to install anywhere is yet to be determined.

And as I said people, just keep a goddamned bootable clone with the installer safely tucked away. You should have a backup anyway. And I don't mean Time Machine. Time Machine is not bootable. A clone created with Carbon Copy Cloner is. And keeping your Lion installer somewhere safe and accessible from the clone will be the second best way to go about restoring in the event of a HD replacement.

The first best of course will be burning the Lion ISO to a Flash Drive or DVD yourself.

Can't believe people still think Apple said Snow Leopard is the only way to install Lion. Jesus H. Macy.
 
While I agree the comment you are responding to is flippant, I find it amazing that people considering getting Lion have not upgraded to SL. It makes no sense. Get SL and use it for a while then Lion later if you don't want to get both at once. $29 for SL isn't gong to stretch the budget as much as a new hard drive would.

There are a lot of us who decided that SL was not worth it and we would wait for the next update. Unknown to me, it would require SL.
 
Read this

I thought Leopard users having to upgrade to Snow Leopard just to get to Lion was wrong. But this is also really distasteful.

Im surprised and distressed with Apple.

Giving the customer more hassle? I thought this wasn't apple's way.

Are they really thinking things through here?
 
Smartest post in this biitch-fest of a thread. I love how it's always the 'Apple loyalists' who whine the hardest when Apple decides to move forward and do something different. It's always them that start threatening that they will abandon Apple if they do X or Y- which of course Apple does- and which subsequently turns out to be a brilliant move and makes Apple even more successful. Guess what- enough with your veiled threats towards the company, you guys have no leverage. For every sale they'll potentially lose from you, they'll make 100 new ones. Stop acting as if you have any influence over the success of the company, are its lifeblood, etc. Its success is being achieved through new users.

Apple is clearly attempting to move away from optical media, and has been doing so for the last few years. Yet, you demand that they include their OS on optical media, which is basically Apple telling people 'actually, ignore what we've been saying the past few ears, you actually need an optical drive to do anything of importance.' Wake the hell up. When tech moves forward, there HAS to be a small period of small inconvenience for some- there always have been in Apple's history, and every single time they come out stronger for it- and every SINGLE time, you people bitch and fight against it. You're whining about absolutely nothing, and I'm sure there will be available options for all of your OMG WHAT IF scenarios.

Guess what? Apple is successful despite all of you whiners, not because of you. I've been on these boards long enough to witness all the times this forum has shown near universal outrage over a product, feature, change in direction, addition, ommission, basically anything that has made its products and the company ore successful. I for one congratulate Apple for having the vision to lead and initiate change, particularly relying our dependance on outdated optical media. Like everything else Apple has done, this will become an industry standards in the next few years.

LOL. Did you seriously take the time to write an essay? No, I didn't read it, I just wanted to laugh at your effort. :rolleyes:
 
Maybe this has been said many times already but I haven't read through every thread line by line.

What I see happening is the next hardware upgrades will have built into memory a small application that will allow the computer to reach out to the app store and download Lion onto a blank hard drive/ssd. I'm thinking of something like Google's OS or even something as small as Knoppix that uses a a very specific browser only. If I can get a full OS, word processor, web browser and games on a 700 MB CD how large would a dedicated program that connects to the App Store be? 100 MB? 200 MB? This program could be on a dedicated chip on the mother board on the firmware. In a world of 8 GB iPod Nanos I don't see this being an unrealistic option. So you turn on your Mac with a blank drive, a screen comes up asking for your email address and password, and the application gets downloaded and re-installed on your Mac's new hard drive.

s.

*edit*
Negative score already? Am I suggesting the impossible? Or should I apply for a job at Apple to fix their problem?
 
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Lion is not even shipping yet and everybody's getting all hot and bothered. Apple reverses decisions all the time... Lest we all forget the same Jobs account said it wouldn't be an option on the iPad for mute/orientation. People have already created a boot disc unofficially for Lion, we'll see if the same technique still works when Lion ships.
 
I thought Leopard users having to upgrade to Snow Leopard just to get to Lion was wrong. But this is also really distasteful.

Im surprised and distressed with Apple.

Giving the customer more hassle? I thought this wasn't apple's way.

Are they really thinking things through here?

All they are trying to do is force you to start using the App store so one day they get 30% from any and all developers that want to sell their software.

That and save money on DVDs and packaging.

I keep reading people on this forum say "Just create a recovery blah blah blah"....

But the thing you suggesting people , is the thing you bought from Apple, and the thing they should be providing ....as they always have in the past..

Your gonna need is eventually, ...why make us go through all this crap?
 
For most people, simple:
They have Snow Leopard, they upgrade to Lion, done.
If you want a clean install, just do it from the recovery partition after you installed Lion.

For other people, it's ever so slightly less simple:
If you don't have Snow Leopard, get a friend who does, and download Lion and image it to a USB drive. Install on your computer, done.

If you have no friends and no Snow Leopard:
You pay $60 for Snow Leopard + Lion.
Or you download Snow Leopard from a torrent. Technically it's illegal, but it's not morally wrong since you will only use Snow Leopard to download a file.
 
After reading the update, it doesn't seem so bad. You only have to do that if you are reinstalling to new hardware. Otherwise, the partition in Lion will be all that you need.


No OS should have to rely on a previous version to do a clean install

My understanding is that Lion takes care of itself. All you need is SL to jump ships to Lion. Then, from there, you can do a clean install since it will create a partition for the Lion Installation. In other words, you can do a clean install once you are in Lion. If you arentt on Lion already, you need SL to support the transition.
 
Why does everyone complain like babies on this ********* forum?

If you can't install snowleopard and then lion then don't get it......simple

If you don't like it......................................don't buy it

If you can't install from a recovery partition.....throw your computer out

If you're too ********* dumb, to do any then just STOP BREATHING N DO US A FAVOR! :mad:

So what about the people who scream like babies at the supposed babies? That red face you added really helps slam home your point, kid! LOL.
 
Why does everyone complain like babies on this ********* forum?

If you can't install snowleopard and then lion then don't get it......simple

If you don't like it......................................don't buy it

If you can't install from a recovery partition.....throw your computer out

If you're too ********* dumb, to do any then just STOP BREATHING N DO US A FAVOR! :mad:

If its a clean install an a new hard drive , where would this partition be ? Enlighten us
 
well then it is not a clean install of Lion plan and simple. It is impossible to do a clean install of Lion is seems.

I suppose you can just make a small partition to install snow leopard on, and then from there use the lion dmg to install lion on the other partition. Then once you get lion installed you can delete the snow leopard partition.
 
So if you want lion and you are using leopard you have to buy 2 Operating systems until your getting the most up to date.. so really $60 not $30

What a waste of time having to install SL before getting the chance to install Lion... ridiculous. Oh well I guess apples "it just works" and simplistic ideas for the end user cant last forever...

-_-
 
Once you have a copy you can burn the DMG to a dvd (or usb stick)
That would be fine but you're assuming you will ever get to see the .dmg file. The problem with downloading from the app store is it installs things immediately, without saving any reusable install file, so unfortunately that wouldn't work. :(
 
I would be very surprised if there was not some kind of, "Click to make a restore disk" button in the final install package. Not that 9 out of 10 people will not ignore it.

This is exactly what I'd expect them to do. It's too simple and obvious NOT to do, the average user isn't going to know how to find a disk image and burn that. But "insert a blank disk" is doable for anyone.


Yet, you demand that they include their OS on optical media, which is basically Apple telling people 'actually, ignore what we've been saying the past few ears, you actually need an optical drive to do anything of importance.'

That's not what we're demanding at all. We're demanding that they include a user option to easily create a bootable recovery disk. One that's separate from the boot disk since a second partition is toast in the case of mechanical failure.

That shouldn't be a hard thing for apple to do, and is actually more "forward moving" than a stupid response like "just reinstall SL from the DVD first".


Plus, since Macs that ship with Lion will have Lion restore keys...

Will they? I would hope so, but is there any confirmation of that?
 
I just got a Dell, and it came with an OS recovery disc.

I feel like the world just flipped upside-down. Is Apple serious?

EDIT: What happens if your hard drive fails on a mac that comes preinstalled with Lion? If you replace it, and the new hard drive isn't from Apple, there's no recovery partition, there's no restore partition, and there's no DVD to boot off of...

How dare you!
Don't you know it is strictly forbidden to do such thing anymore? ;)
 
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