I was under the impression they want to get rid of "optical" media. Not all physcial media...that will never go away
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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?
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I was under the impression they want to get rid of "optical" media. Not all physcial media...that will never go away
lets see:
- I own 5 macs, all of them purchased within the last two years
- I have been a mac-head since 1984, and still own the first 128k mac I bought while still on college
- I have bought, on average, 1.5 macs a year since 1986.
- I have been a member of MacRumors since 2003, while I see you just joined here barely a year ago.
Then there's you, who apparently wants to pull the 'troll' card whenever someone criticicises the very drastic move Apple is making here with the App Store.
I am most certainly NOT a troll.
But you sir, are most certainly an air-headed FANBOY.
Alright So you all think you have points ......
Just explain to me this one thing
1. How is all of this mess of Downloading (and some of us have crappy speeds) and requiring Snow Leopard better than the old fashioned way of buying a physical copy ?
Why
Because it's from the App store ????
Whoopdee Frickin' Doo
A) Keep a bootable Clone with the installer on it or another partion.
B) Burn the ISO to a Flash drive or DVD
It's not that hard, people.
Maybe if you complain loud enough Apple will break down and offer DVD/USB Flash drive versions of Lion.
I don't think they have a problem with you making your own after download. They just don't want to deal with shipping, inventory and stuff.
I think that is just a myth started by mothers and grandmothers to get their children to visit.
So you've found the hole in the bucket. I'll stick with physical media. Lion will be available on DVD right? Sure as heck ain't gonna be on a Blu-Ray disc (beating a dead horse here
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Alright So you all think you have points ......
Just explain to me this one thing
1. How is all of this mess of Downloading (and some of us have crappy speeds) and requiring Snow Leopard better than the old fashioned way of buying a physical copy ?
Why
Because it's from the App store ????
Whoopdee Frickin' Doo
It only requires Snow Leopard if your recovery partition is trashed and you chose not to back it up. If you are doing a normal first time install it will not be a problem. If you have any working form of your recovery partition, you will not need Snow Leopard.
So you've found the hole in the bucket. I'll stick with physical media. Lion will be available on DVD right? Sure as heck ain't gonna be on a Blu-Ray disc (beating a dead horse here
No :-(
There's actually burnable/bootable .dmg hidden within the external framework of the application package, at least in the developer releases that I've had.
No doubt Steve/Apple wants to force people into depending upon the App Store (that's how Apple rolls) and he isn't going to tell you how to circumvent his intentions, but read carefully: while he's obviously implying that Apple isn't going to provide any physical media or any official method or support for creating your own boot images (no surprises there), that doesn't mean it isn't possible (or easy)...
Besides, the idea that Apple will be selling or providing SL discs as an installer base for Lion (even on machines which come with a native install) is absurd. While Apple occasionally does some awesomely stupid or obnoxious things (like employing iTunes sync--a disaster in and upon itself--as the sole method for accessing the file system on iOS devices), I'm fairly confident that this won't be one of them.
No doubt Steve/Apple wants to force people into depending upon the App Store (that's how Apple rolls) and he isn't going to tell you how to circumvent his intentions, but read carefully: while he's obviously implying that Apple isn't going to provide any physical media or any official method or support for creating your own boot images (no surprises there), that doesn't mean it isn't possible (or easy)...
Besides, the idea that Apple will be selling or providing SL discs as an installer base for Lion (even on machines which come with a native install) is absurd. While Apple occasionally does some awesomely stupid or obnoxious things (like employing iTunes sync--a disaster in and upon itself--as the sole method for accessing the file system on iOS devices), I'm fairly confident that this won't be one of them.
I couldnt care less for this process, its not as if its that inconvenient unless you plan on wiping your HDD every week and have internet allowance caps.
You always needed a Snow Leopard disk anyway to clean install, the only added inconvenience is the 4GB download. Everyone should have their Snow Leopard disk handy or stored in a box somewhere anyway, and if not, then its your own fault for being careless.
It could be worse, they could start releasing 50 security updates a week like a certain other OS.
You always needed a Snow Leopard disk anyway to clean install, the only added inconvenience is the 4GB download. Everyone should have their Snow Leopard disk handy or stored in a box somewhere anyway, and if not, then its your own fault for being careless.
It could be worse, they could start releasing 50 security updates a week like a certain other OS.
You can make Disk Utility see hidden partitions. Try secrets preferences pane.
Bigger problem i see is this: how i'm going to download it if i connect to internet using 3G USB modem? So far it wants to connect to wifi only and my 3G modem doesn't work with Lion or Snow Leopard without installing drivers.
And for the average Joe Q it's not an issue. They will do what must be done, no gripes.
As for us tech geek types, we aren't likely to actually update on our only volume anyway cause we 'know' that point zero releases are 'always' buggy. We will create a second partition, install snow leopard off that, then update, then toss in our apps etc. ANd it's not that big a deal for us to then turn around and take that partition and clone it to a hard drive, thumb drive, SD card etc. Then we will tuck that away in case we need it. Easy Peasy to clone it back onto a fresh drive, add whatever apps we've bought since then, toss on our current data from our back up drive and head off.
Step 1: Get a job.
Step 2: Buy a new mac.
Step 3: End.
What? You got a flat tire? Oh I am sorry, our cars require our tires, which are not sold separately. You must buy a brand new vehicle. But you have a job, so it is ok.
I officially retract every previous statement I have made claiming, "That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard." This is it.
So you've found the hole in the bucket. I'll stick with physical media. Lion will be available on DVD right? Sure as heck ain't gonna be on a Blu-Ray disc (beating a dead horse here
Perfect.
Hole in the Bucket = infinate loop.
And that's where Apple lives.
I would be very surprised if there was not some kind of, "Click to make a restore disk" button in the final install package. Not that 9 out of 10 people will not ignore it.
pretty sure he is talking about the standard 4GB recovery partition that everyone has been so quick to bring up.
Can't bielieve im hearing this from Apple
I thought the article was on windows for a min
Something needs to be done about that. Fiddly
Yes, I had to install XP to install Vista in order to do a clean install of W7. That sounds like Microsoft.
I was hoping there was a more elegant alternative rather than hacking my way through making one of these discs.
Smartest post in this biitch-fest of a thread. I love how it's always the 'Apple loyalists' who whine the hardest when Apple decides to move forward and do something different. It's always them that start threatening that they will abandon Apple if they do X or Y- which of course Apple does- and which subsequently turns out to be a brilliant move and makes Apple even more successful. Guess what- enough with your veiled threats towards the company, you guys have no leverage. For every sale they'll potentially lose from you, they'll make 100 new ones. Stop acting as if you have any influence over the success of the company, are its lifeblood, etc. Its success is being achieved through new users.
Apple is clearly attempting to move away from optical media, and has been doing so for the last few years. Yet, you demand that they include their OS on optical media, which is basically Apple telling people 'actually, ignore what we've been saying the past few ears, you actually need an optical drive to do anything of importance.' Wake the hell up. When tech moves forward, there HAS to be a small period of small inconvenience for some- there always have been in Apple's history, and every single time they come out stronger for it- and every SINGLE time, you people bitch and fight against it. You're whining about absolutely nothing, and I'm sure there will be available options for all of your OMG WHAT IF scenarios.
Guess what? Apple is successful despite all of you whiners, not because of you. I've been on these boards long enough to witness all the times this forum has shown near universal outrage over a product, feature, change in direction, addition, ommission, basically anything that has made its products and the company ore successful. I for one congratulate Apple for having the vision to lead and initiate change, particularly relying our dependance on outdated optical media. Like everything else Apple has done, this will become an industry standards in the next few years.