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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?
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DP 4 is likely the last DP before GM. Highly unlikely it'll change at this point.
Roughly 69% of Mac users are running Snow Leopard so that means there are almost 17 million Mac users who aren't.
Boot scenario
What about this scenario.... In the past if a computer comes preloaded with 10.6.5 and you try to install something previous of that (lets say 10.6.3) the computer would kernel panic during boot up. How is this going to be possible with systems preloaded with Lion? If we need to replace a hard drive and then try to install 10.6.X first will we still be able to load Lion?
What about this scenario.... In the past if a computer comes preloaded with 10.6.5 and you try to install something previous of that (lets say 10.6.3) the computer would kernel panic during boot up. How is this going to be possible with systems preloaded with Lion? If we need to replace a hard drive and then try to install 10.6.X first will we still be able to load Lion?
Okay, thinking a few years ahead now, when OS X Giraffe (Yeah, yeah it's not a cat I know but I like Giraffes!) comes out. How do you clean install that? Are you going to need to buy Snow Leopard, to install Lion, to install Giraffe?
I thought Apple was all about being at the pinnacle of simplicity. This just sounds like the engineers are a little, erm? Well. Simple?
Also, whilst I get the need to move away from physical media. This just doesn't seem to have been thought out very well. They should at the very least offer the ability to order Lion on a disc if you want. The same as a large number of online software providers do. Order your software for £99.99, and add an option back up disc for an extra £9.99.
I thought Apple was all about being at the pinnacle of simplicity. This just sounds like the engineers are a little, erm? Well. Simple?
Also, whilst I get the need to move away from physical media. This just doesn't seem to have been thought out very well. They should at the very least offer the ability to order Lion on a disc if you want. The same as a large number of online software providers do. Order your software for £99.99, and add an option back up disc for an extra £9.99.
What's to say it won't? There is more evidence to indicate things will remain the same then there is otherwise. To emphasize the unlikihood of Apple not allowing you to burn the dmg is simply to spread confusion and fear. Why? Got an axe to grind?
There was a time when I could switch back and forth from Windows and Mac OS easily. But over time it has gotten more difficult. OS X gets better with every new release. Windows is getting a little better on the malware front but it certainly isn't as nice as OS X.
As for SL, go to the Apple Store and get your copy already and stop whining about it.
As for SL, go to the Apple Store and get your copy already and stop whining about it.
and I know several that said forget snow leapod. It did not bring anything to make it worth paying for and they were going to wait until lion came out to upgrade. Sounds like Apple killed that plan with the typical forced upgrade fees.
Windows 7 you can skip vista completely and go from XP no issue. That is a much larger jump than Leapod to Lion
Don't believe the hype. Will see to that once it get's here. Just like when we were told you couldn't do a clean install of snow leopard with a $29 update disk. Instead we would need to spend a lot more for the full version. Some how we all did it. I'm playing the wait and see game first.
30% of people not running SL this needing to buy an extra OS that wont even be used after installing lion is ridiculous...
If you dont think 30% is large to a company then you need help.... especially when Apples share in users is still tiny compared to windows.. You want the most of your users getting your latest software...
So losing a potential 30% of users interest is a huge mistake
ummm the 30% who choose to skip SL. If it was under 10% I might be inclined to agree with you but 30% is a huge chunk. But you do not get it. Be careful you are showing how much you worship at at the Alter of Apple there and can only say "Apple is right you are wrong"
It is getting funnier and funnier the amount of pure greed Apple can get away with and this is pure greed.
Imagen the hell to pay if MS said the only way to get Windows 8 is to upgrade from Windows 7.
or to get to 7 you had upgrade to Vista.
It shouldn't matter.
But for what it's worth MANY different reasons for lots of people. Who are you to say what anyone should do?
Apple are shortening the life cycle of Macs.
Profitability and Sales.
God I hate salesmen
I didn't say there was one.
You asked "Who STILL isn't running Snow Leopard??" so I told you.
What's sad is more often then not they are bitching over non-issues that are easily resolvable. To think the average consumer has more common computer sense and a willingness to accept innovation than do the geeks and IT crowd is mesmerizing...
Steve , I normally agree with you on other stuff, but not having a disk for the os AND having to clean install snow leopard first then download lion? common, thats a little ridiculous. I can understand if you're trying to save a coin for the new campus, and i'd love to help out!! but just ship a disk so we can end this nonsense please.
It's not even that I want a "disc" per se. I'll be perfectly content with a flash drive, in fact I'd be happier with a flash drive - they install faster and much more reliably than discs (flash drives don't scratch and the parts that read them can't get dirty). If Apple wants to exterminate discs, I'm all for it. I'll be first in line to join the new revolution, but the transition must be done with grace and intelligent decisions.
How many of them are using C2Ds (or better)? They're the only ones able to upgrade to Lion (via Snow Leopard).
If you are tech-savvy enough to replace the hard drive yourself, you'll know how to burn the dmg and make your own startup disk. For Normal People, Steve wants you to take it to Apple to replace your HD.
You'll need 10.6.8.
Where do you see that new macs will ship with a usb recovery disk? I have not seen that anywhere. All I have seen is "The MAS is the only place to get Lion." and there is a "recovery partition".
Yes Macs will still come with recovery disks. Is that so surprising to you? Really?
Who says they'll lose a potential 30% of users interest?
Remember, these are Apple customers. Count on quite a few of them going out to get SL or just buying new Macs.
I can't believe some of the cry baby posts I'm reading here. Do I need to remind you how much Leopard cost? And how much they are charging for Lion? Really, how often do you reinstall your OS? I've owned many Macs over the last 7 years and have never had to reinstall OS X.
God. Everyone is such a crybaby.
God. Everyone is such a crybaby.
Well as the average apple user is now thick and lazy. They would just keep buying the carp. The ones who are annoyed are those that make money with Apple Hardware. Not the sad little tw@ts in the coffee shop who buy Macs just to look cool. Much like most of the morons who buy an iPhone.
When Giraffe comes out Giraffe will come with a recovery disk, like all other macs. It just won't be a DVD disks. So, really, what's your problem?