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If there is really no difference between 3 and 4, I might as well seriously look at the iPad 2. Winning!
 
Apple isn't particularly about current tech. They are about emerging techs, not waning tech. This was evident when they removed the floppy disk drive before. This was evident when they shipped the iPhone without flash. And this is clearly evident now with the ODD. All of these are examples of "current tech" of their time.

Living in the future to such a degree makes it hard for people to do things today. They removed the floppy before I even started using it (was never a fan, flash drives were costly) I still want flash on my iPhone and I use my computers as one in one systems so I need an internal optical drive. The issue is because I want to like all their products, their living in the future can make that hard.

However take the Macbook Pros with their amazing screens, there could be a day where that is more important then having an internet drive that I may not even use that much in the future, I will have to see. Always wanted blu-ray in a mac though.
 
Tbh, iPad was innovation but the iPhone was a revolution. So I think everything they talked about today fits into the innovation category for me, which covers a broad range imho. They won't be coming out with an industry changer like the iPod or the iPhone every year obviously, and to call everything else "spec bump" seems unfair to me.

Don't you think these forums are becoming like the post-debate "spin rooms"? Half the people are here for talking trash to the other guy. Nothing worthwhile gets talked about.

Biggest news of this thing to me was, the "4th generation" iPad. Full-sized got a .5 major upgrade. "We're not taking our foot off the gas." Apple and Samsung doing wheelies out in the parking lot! Drag races out on the highway!
 
The screen real estate is very optimized in apps, which is where you spend all of your time. The Springboard is a simple app launcher, it works fast and effectively to get to where the real work/play happens ... in an app.

Heck, I generally even move directly between apps with a gesture or evoking the app bar :)

The reason you spend all your time in the apps is because iOS interface is so primitive. With Android you can use some apps (widgets) without opening apps.
 
Tbh, iPad was innovation but the iPhone was a revolution. So I think everything they talked about today fits into the innovation category for me, which covers a broad range imho. They won't be coming out with an industry changer like the iPod or the iPhone every year obviously, and to call everything else "spec bump" seems unfair to me.

I think to call all marginal improvements of products innovation is unfair... Maybe it's just me becoming disenchanted with Apple's marketing machine that labels everything they do as revolutionary, magic, innovative, best ever, etc and they deliver a faster CPU and a hi-res display.

The RDF ain't what it used to be with Steve around :(
 
FusionDrive plus TimeMachine in the new iMac.......I know an audiophile who is gonna be very happy. Very nice that ML is gonna figure out where to put everything; he is a musician who rolls his eyes whenever I talk tech.
 
Well the popular saying around here is to vote with your wallet. Just wait for the Google event or Windows 8 launch and spend then. The Nexus 7 is going to see 16 GB for $199 and a 32 GB model too. Maybe you can spend the money you save on some nice dinners.

On the other hand, if you are buying a Christmas present, some nice dinners (two dinners for two at $65 each, very nice indeed :eek: ) won't make up for the disappointment of getting a Nexus 7.
 
Listen everyone, IMPLICIT in every Apple purchase is that I will be cool for NO LESS THAN ONE YEAR knowing I have the latest, best product on earth.

Apple is breaking this code with its customers. MAJOR FAIL
 
My assumption is simply that the iPad 3 was the only current iProduct which still used the old connection port, and if they had to update that anyways, they felt they may as well give it the speed bump to last a year.
Still can't imagine anyone throwing away their iPad 3 to buy an iPad 4 though.
 
My 64Gb AT&T LTE iPad 3 has a $350 offer from Gazelle :) i am considering it to avoid shuffling lightning adaptors. But then again....its a while until the 4 ships.
 
Yeah we expect our technology to last for at least year. People are pissed because it devalues the product, especially those that plan to sell on at near the buying price a year later. People expect Apple products to hold their value, well the value has gone a heck of a lot quicker than any other Apple product in the past.

And yes it is obsolete, because they don't make it anymore. It's just disappeared from the inventory. iPad 2 is still here.
It is not really a new trend. Apple has been holding back just enough on the specification side and updating often enough to destroy the resale value of their products when an update rolls out.

Core 2 Duo was bad enough but the iPod Touch was a nightmare and it still does not have GPS.
 

These are the reasons I sold it and rarely used it:

Screen res/quality - my iPad 3 and iPhone blow everything else out of the water. I'm skeptical about the mini, but am confident they've done other things to make a less dense screen look great....we shall see.

tablet specific apps/apps in general - there wasn't a single app I liked better on Android. Sure the form factor was nicer for games and reading - but they were scaled up phone apps which never took full advantage of the resolution

iOS vs. Android - there wasn't ever a time I thought "oh awesome, I could never do this on an iPad". My use case - so don't quote me as saying this is the way everyone should feel, but I found no benefit (in fact I rather came to appreciate iOS's simplicity even more) using Android.

I'm a Mac guy - all of stuff is always talking to one another. My iPad syncs with my iPhone and my iMac - I can flip a switch and push what's on my iPad/iPhone to my TV via my Apple TVs....I just have a very seamless technological existence that is interrupted when an Android product is introduced. I know there are similar experiences available for Android products, though I don't think to the same degree.

I've just always been happy with the quality, power, customer service and overall ease of use of all my Apple products. My N7 seemed poorly built, which I dismissed because it was a $200 tablet. I'm actually glad Apple prices at a premium - not only do they put more into the build quality (which shows) but the overall experience you get with Apple is second to none. That what you pay for when you pay the "Apple tax". And I for one have no problem with it.
 
Price sucks, specs suck. I might get an iPad 4th gen, but I don't think it's anything iPad 3 owners should get too upset about. design didn't change, it's not thinner/lighter which is the main thing I was hoping for in a refresh..

Agreed. Screen didn't get better and devices didn't get lighter. Device is more powerful, but it already has all the power I need for light web surfing and light app use that I normally use it for.

And if I want to upgrade, I can ebay my 3 and buy a 4 and probably only lose about $200 in the process. No big deal.
 
Apple isn't particularly about current tech. They are about emerging techs, not waning tech. This was evident when they removed the floppy disk drive before. This was evident when they shipped the iPhone without flash. And this is clearly evident now with the ODD. All of these are examples of "current tech" of their time.

Are you talking about Apple sticking with USB 2.0 when entire World switched to USB 3.0? Or them sticking with DVD drives when all PCs had BluRay? Or being the last computer manufacturer to switch to Ivy Bridge CPU? So much for "emerging tech".
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8_Z7_kJ3_g&feature=relmfu

Low light image test:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

Its a massacre

How about Wireless Charging? NFC? (not popular in the states yet, but when I was in taiwan literally everywhere was using NFC) Synaptics tech? (Using gloves with phone- great for cold weather)

The only thing keeping iphone afloat for near future is the good app selection. Really thats it. Once MSFT throws its money around, I see windows 8 phones / surface putting a beatdown on apple.

What do you think Microsoft will add innovation wise? The recent surface tablet didn't introduce anything new.

A lot of people are asking for innovation but they require features that would increase the price so much that it would not be sellable at a reasonable price point.

Alternatively many so called innovations have such a narrow scope of usage that it just doesn't warrant the investment of including it in the final product. Do not forget that Apple is not making the iPad just for you, but for hundreds of millions of people. You can see at Samsung and android what happens when you try to satisfy everyone.
 
What's the difference between an iPad 3 and iPad 4?

Nothing. Both are products that don't exist.

I know you mean iPad 3rd generation/new iPad and iPad 4th generation. I just wanted to pick you up on your technically incorrect terminology.

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Listen everyone, IMPLICIT in every Apple purchase is that I will be cool for NO LESS THAN ONE YEAR knowing I have the latest, best product on earth.

Apple is breaking this code with its customers. MAJOR FAIL

Lol how dare they? Is Microsoft cool again? There is an option...
 
I have a question.

Does anyone know if the RAM will be user changeable in the new iMacs. I read that the 21.5 will be not but the 27 will be. Is this true?
 
Nothing. Both are products that don't exist.

I know you mean iPad 3rd generation/new iPad and iPad 4th generation. I just wanted to pick you up on your technically incorrect terminology.

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thanks for taking 5 minutes out of your day to make that point.
 
O, bummer. Thank You!

Really, what I think Apple is doing here is bring the iPad line into parity with the iPhone. The iPad is, after all, supposed to be the faster, more capable iDevice, sporting the beefier processor, more ram, and better screen. Having it outpaced by the phone every 6 months or so doesn't make sense for them.

I'm thinking from here on out, new iPads and iPhones are going to be announced at the same keynotes side by side.
 
Are you talking about Apple sticking with USB 2.0 when entire World switched to USB 3.0? Or them sticking with DVD drives when all PCs had BluRay? Or being the last computer manufacturer to switch to Ivy Bridge CPU? So much for "emerging tech".

That took too long, they also had issues with getting an SD card slot in some systems, just basic standards.
 
An "all-in-one" for what particular audience, exactly? Your definition is obviously different than mine. The iMac without an ODD will certainly carry my work from day to day without a hitch. Therefore, it is certainly still an "all-in-one" to me. Apple has to go with trends, and the current trend is a decline in use of optical disc technology.

I can certainly understand it in a portable computer, the resulting unit is thinner and lighter, therefore, more portable; I just don't get it in a desktop. Especially, if your goal is to have everything in one unit (hence buying an all-in-one), without a collection of external boxes on your desk.

DVDs and CDs may be dying, but they're not dead just yet. I get that eventually they will go the way of the floppy; I just don't think that time is here yet.
 
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