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Small White Car said:
No, but it should be. And Apple is trying to kill it.

It's rough now, but in 2 years most cell phones will have e-mail...even ones without $30-a-month data plans.

Once that happens everyone will say "I can't believe we used to pay for text messages!" And the world will be a better place.

But it won't happen until someone takes the plunge. The iPhone volunteered, and I wish it luck.
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How do you think some phones will have email access without a data plan? I don't mean that in a condescending way, just curious. The only reason that I can think MMS wouldn't go away is because phones that have email now currently need an expensive data plan. What might be some future options so that people don't need the expensive data plan?

Without a cheap, or free, option for email then I don't see MMS going away.
 
WhySoSerious said:
good views. i like chatting with you!
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It's similar to the death of the floppy drive and the rise of USB devices.

The original iMac started BOTH fo these things going after years of PC makers ignoring the issue. And the iMac didn't even have much market-share. It broke the cycle just by existing and getting attention.

So the fact that the iPhone is actually popular should make things go even faster in this case.
 
Small White Car said:
It's similar to the death of the floppy drive and the rise of USB devices.

The original iMac started BOTH fo these things going after years of PC makers ignoring the issue. And the iMac didn't even have much market-share. It broke the cycle just by existing and getting attention.

So the fact that the iPhone is actually popular should make things go even faster in this case.
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you present a good case for this discussion. i don't agree with your overall view on MMS/SMS, but i do see your side of things.
 
I agree that email is the up and coming thing for media sharing on phones but for Apple to just abruptly not use it rather than waiting for the majority of phones to be email friendly is a little dictator-like.

I honestly to this day do not understand why they don't add it. But I'm not about to start creating threads about it.
 
Small White Car said:
No, but it should be. And Apple is trying to kill it.

It's rough now, but in 2 years most cell phones will have e-mail...even ones without $30-a-month data plans.

Once that happens everyone will say "I can't believe we used to pay for text messages!" And the world will be a better place.

But it won't happen until someone takes the plunge. The iPhone volunteered, and I wish it luck.
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I agree, but what phone would have email that doesn't have a data plan? Wouldn't you need a data plan if you're going to have email? If so, then there are hundreds of millions of people who aren't going to have the money to shell-out $30 per month for this. If this is the case, MMS is just never going to die.

Update: Whoooops! Someone was reading my mind above (or visa-versa) and I didn't read the whole thread before responding
 
davyreins said:
How do you think some phones will have email access without a data plan? I don't mean that in a condescending way, just curious.
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I really think that competetive forces will soon force the carriers to offer e-mail as part of the standard phone price for non-smartphones.

Meaning: Your phone connects to the 3G network and gets data, but the ONLY program allowed to talk to that data is your e-mail client. So, no web browser, no IM, no other apps downloading info. Just e-mail.

So they'll still sell data plans to people who want that stuff, but even if you don't pay it you'll still get connected to e-mail.

Do the carriers want to do this? Heck no. But I think they're going to have to once consumers start demanding it. Once one of them offers this (probably as some special on one model of phone) then it's going to explode and they'll all have to do it.

Are you old enough to remember when soda-refills were $0.25 at every fast food place? Once one or two places started giving free refills that idea went right out the window. No one can do that anymore!

It's going to be the same with cell phones and not having e-mail. The concept of e-mail being part of the data plan will go away.

Just my guess, but I really believe it.
 
kas23 said:
I agree, but what phone would have email that doesn't have a data plan? Wouldn't you need a data plan if you're going to have email? If so, then there are hundreds of millions of people who aren't going to have the money to shell-out $30 per month for this. If this is the case, MMS is just never going to die.

Update: Whoooops! Someone was reading my mind above (or visa-versa) and I didn't read the whole thread before responding
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I doubt all companies will be as criminal as AT&T and charge $30 for a data plan and no texts. I thought the $20 for the original was a good price.
 
lostprophet894 said:
I agree that email is the up and coming thing for media sharing on phones but for Apple to just abruptly not use it rather than waiting for the majority of phones to be email friendly is a little dictator-like.

I honestly to this day do not understand why they don't add it. But I'm not about to start creating threads about it.
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nothing wrong with starting a thread on MMS....even if done before. if everyone can keep it objective, fair and healthy, the conversation could brew some good points/ideas.

anyway.....i agree that apple seems to be acting in the way you presented it, as a dictatorship. sorta like how yesterday's article pointed out how they pushed around the music label when it came to creating deals on itunes.

maybe apple is saying to the customer......"we don't care if you want mms....apple is telling you what you want and you'll take it or leave it".

thoughts?
 
WhySoSerious said:
maybe apple is saying to the customer......"we don't care if you want mms....apple is telling you what you want and you'll take it or leave it".

thoughts?
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This isn't even a maybe. That's exactly what Apple is doing and what they've always done.
 
Small White Car said:
Anyway, the point is, you would like things to change but there is no chance they will change until someone acts like a jerk and makes things difficult for everyone. The iPhone is that someone.
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But, the problem is, Apple is being a jerk to its own paying customers. This is not a good was of going about business. Wouldn't it have been much more comfortable for everyone if they waited until more phones were able to support email before switching? All Apple is doing is locking their own customers out in the cold.

As for saving people money by disabling MMS. With my AT&T plan, I pay the same for an SMS as I do for a MMS. This isn't saving me any money. And if we are so concerned about saving money, exclude SMS too. SMS is 100% profit right to the greedy carriers. People can use email.
 
Small White Car said:
I really think that competetive forces will soon force the carriers to offer e-mail as part of the standard phone price for non-smartphones.

Meaning: Your phone connects to the 3G network and gets data, but the ONLY program allowed to talk to that data is your e-mail client. So, no web browser, no IM, no other apps downloading info. Just e-mail.

So they'll still sell data plans to people who want that stuff, but even if you don't pay it you'll still get connected to e-mail.

Do the carriers want to do this? Heck no. But I think they're going to have to once consumers start demanding it. Once one of them offers this (probably as some special on one model of phone) then it's going to explode and they'll all have to do it.

Are you old enough to remember when soda-refills were $0.25 at every fast food place? Once one or two places started giving free refills that idea went right out the window. No one can do that anymore!

It's going to be the same with cell phones and not having e-mail. The concept of e-mail being part of the data plan will go away.

Just my guess, but I really believe it.
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I see, might take a bit for this to happen (like you said). But, definitely possible.
 
Buy another fricking phone if iPhone doesn't have the features you want. That way you're happy and we don't have to read your bollocks.

Seriously, some of you people are never happy unless your miserable. Get a life.
 
Tallest Skil said:
To mirror the title: Use....E.....Mail

Exactly. Thanks for helping out argument and not helping your own. :D
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This argument is flawed too because 1) not everyone has email (can someone with just MMS send a pic to your email inbox? If so, then they will need to know your email address) and 2) You can send an MMS via email (if you have it), but then you need to know the carrier they are on (and this method only works in the US - not Europe). So, no, the "use email" line doesn't float as nicely as it theoretically should.

I think the ability to just receive MMS would be a good compromise, as there are work-arounds available to send MMS.
 
Theophany said:
Buy another fricking phone if iPhone doesn't have the features you want. That way you're happy and we don't have to read your bollocks.

Seriously, some of you people are never happy unless your miserable. Get a life.
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Yours is the most short-sighted, meaningless response to this kind of thread. You're not contributing anything to the discussion.

People buy the iPhone because they enjoy it's aesthetics and what it IS capable of. Who are you to say they have no place to express their disappointments in it not having the most basic of features?? You get a life, turd.
 
Theophany said:
Buy another fricking phone if iPhone doesn't have the features you want. That way you're happy and we don't have to read your bollocks.

Seriously, some of you people are never happy unless your miserable. Get a life.
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Yeah, if you lived in a black and white, good and evil world. Fact is, life is about trade-offs. If you haven't figured this out yet, I feel sad for you. Just because an excellent phone is missing one single feature, this is hardly a cause not to purchase the phone. :rolleyes:

lostprophet894 said:
Yours is the most short-sighted, meaningless response to this kind of thread. You're not contributing anything to the discussion.

People buy the iPhone because they enjoy it's aesthetics and what it IS capable of. Who are you to say they have no place to express their disappointments in it not having the most basic of features?? You get a life, turd.
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QFT
 
Text messaging is very popular and won't die out. It is more instant than email in a way in that you don't need to log on or go through other email boxes and messages and it takes the place of phone calls quite well and the iphone's way of having a chat-like sms is quite awesomeness.

Why they don't support MMS is baffling. I don't think we've heard a logical reason for it from Apple. I would hope it's not hubris because that almost killed apple. If we as customers demand it, it'll come.

The one thing I don't get about apple fanatics is their worshipful devotion to the company. Apple is there to make money and like capital it'll squash and destroy all who come in it's way. There's no such thing really as a "good or responsible" corporation in our current capitalist economy. So use the market as dreadfull as it is to get Apple to support MMS on the iphone.
 
lostprophet894 said:
Yours is the most short-sighted, meaningless response to this kind of thread. You're not contributing anything to the discussion.

People buy the iPhone because they enjoy it's aesthetics and what it IS capable of. Who are you to say they have no place to express their disappointments in it not having the most basic of features?? You get a life, turd.
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I'm sorry, I forgot Apple pored over these forums to get feedback on their tech, my bad. I must also have imagined the plethora of other responses along the lines of 'MMS is dead and iPhone shouldn't have it,' maybe I also imagined the slew of other threads like it plastered all over the iPhone forums that make threads like this redundant.

Meanwhile, in the real world, morons who buy tech knowing that they don't have the features they want perpetuate the problem. If nobody buys it, the manufacturer knows they have to do better. It's like buying a POS car, then pissing and moaning on an enthusiast's forum that it doesn't come with a six-speed 'box.

The iPhone has a 2mp camera. Many modern phones have upwards of 5mp and are a fraction of the cost when subsidised on a contract cheaper than the iPhone's. Take a moment to step out of the RDF of whatever you call it and do the math.

Oh, and you waived your right to dub me a "turd" after your outlandishly fanboy-esque response. Maybe if you used an ounce of logic, rather than looking for an opener for an insult, I'd take you seriously.
 
TSX said:
but all the one that "came" out in 2008 had mms except for the iPhone.
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I was just trying to guide the OP a little by suggesting they didn't need to resort to hyperbole to make their point. In fact, if they had said "all the smartphones that came out in 2008 had MMS except the iPhone", that may even have strengthened their position.
 
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