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[kas23]

You're begging to get torn apart. Why would you post this?

Thread is 3 pages long so far and I have yet to see anyone torn apart. The arguments against mms are purely based in opinion - they're personal preferences - which is OK. "mms is a bad, dying technology" (opinion), "use e-mail (this would be a person preference), costs too much money (not true, but it's a person choice to spend their money how they want). What else? There's also nice red herring arguments like "you shouldn't have bought the phone then" or "this is an old topic, move on" which may be valid points themselves, but have nothing to do with mms.

 

[kas23]

And in contracdiction to a previous post, you can send an MMS to an email address in the UK, which last time I checked was in Europe.

What I said exactly was send MMS via email:

2) You can send an MMS via email (if you have it), but then you need to know the carrier they are on (and this method only works in the US - not Europe).

Like if I wanted to send an mms to someone using Orange and who had no email on their phone. Through your email browser, can you send this pic to their MMS application by emailing the pic to xxxxxxxxx@orange.mms.com?

As for routing an MMS to your email inbox (like you are saying above), I believe this is entirely carrier dependent. In the US, for example, I cannot have AT&T re-route MMS sent to me to my email inbox. If so, I would love to know this.

 

[vinay427]

Because it is.
And it shouldn't

Couldn't you have expressed your thoughts in a nicer way? You didn't have to be so ignorant, you know.

 

[Katuls]

...or professional. If a firefighter sent me an MMS of a wreck, I'd complain to the city.

uhh... well for one, I send pictures to the hospital so they have an idea of what possible injuries the patients have.


And secondly, go complain to your city. As long as there are no patients in the pics of the wreck, it's completely legal. We send pictures of wrecks back and forth to eachother all the time for training purposes.


So yes, go complain to your city crybaby.

 

[Mikey B]

I'll just never understand the outrage against the lack of MMS on the iPhone. It's super easy to send a pic to someone's cell phone or email with the iPhone. And all you have to do is tell your friends your email address to have them sent to yours. They don't have to have email, they just have to send it to your email address instead if your phone number. Sure it's an extra step, but its FREE and takes about 2 seconds.

As far as the why the iPhone doesn't have MMS, I think it's simply a matter of seeing that smartphones are the way of the future and that the market doesn't really care. Considering the sales of iPhones, I'd hardly say a lack of MMS has held them back. Smartphone sales are grown exponentially and I can't imagine it will be too long before all cellphones are smartphones of some sort. Like was posted earlier, it's pretty clear that Apple views MMS much like they viewed the floppy drive- not worth their time or money to develop any longer. While there are plenty of people who do complain about it, the fact is that the iPhone is selling like hotcakes and MMS just isn't important to sales. The complainers are a very vocal minority.

For me, like I said, I'll take it or leave it. I haven't missed MMS for a second. Everyone I want to send pics to gets the rather I send them to their email or their phone and anyone that wants to send me a pic sends it to my email. And if it was enabled tomorrow I'd use MMS, as long as it is included in the ridiculous fee I pay monthly for SMS.

Which brings me to another point- comparing SMS and MMS, imo, is comparing apple's and oranges. While email is a perfect substitute for pics, I don't feel the same about texts.

 

[newportpaco]

First of all how do you know that the people who want mms are the minority, that's a little hard to say for sure and I doubt that's true. Second people buy the iPhone for a lot of reasons because it's a great device but it doesn't mean it's perfect and if there is feature that most phones have and people want to use why do you care if apple has to develop it? As for the price, I don't care, make it included or have it be optional or don't use it. I still don't see why anyone is opposed to having a choice, there are more people then you think that would use it including some of the people that are so opposed to it.

 

[9822679]

ah one day, two uses

this topic has been talked about to death

 

[RiceRacerDX]

uhh... well for one, I send pictures to the hospital so they have an idea of what possible injuries the patients have.


And secondly, go complain to your city. As long as there are no patients in the pics of the wreck, it's completely legal. We send pictures of wrecks back and forth to eachother all the time for training purposes.


So yes, go complain to your city crybaby.

I work in the hospital. Our ER is the second busiest in the region. If you are a paramedic and can not give proper report to the hospital you are bringing the patient to, you need to find another occupation. The hospital will see what they are dealing with when the client gets there. There is nothing they can do additionally by looking at pictures you want to text them...especially of the wreck??????

Hospitals get all their pertinent assessment data from your verbal report you send over the CB to the ER, not some 2MP picture taken from an rushing ambulance on a bumpy road or something. Tell us that he has a blood pressure of 90/45, tell us that he has a pulse of 42; tell us that his abdomen is firm, distended, and boggy (consistent of internal hemorrhaging)...those are things we care about. You can not see visible retractions in respiratory distress from a picture, you can not see a concussion, you can not see a myocardial infarction, and most importantly, you can not see vital signs or any other physical assessments. We don't care that you want to take a picture of a broken leg, because you want to show us how bad ass it is. And furthermore, we don't care about the wreck. The car is not coming to the hospital. Show that to some insurance agency that cares. That is a poor practice that you and your agency use and for that I would take it as far as complaining to the state and every news agency in your area if you firmly believe that.

Intrinsically, pictures taken within the hospital with a real camera is fine...just like those from an endoscopic exam or prognosis trends. Those can be used by staff or other hospitals in the event that they may need to transfer to another facility. JCAHO frowns upon cellular phone use within the hospital anyways unless they are hospital issued...I know because they just came last month and said that to a nurse talking on her cell phone behind the nurses station

So call me a crybaby. At least we are tending to and are more concerned with the injured patients while you're just sittin' there take pictures of a mangled car.

 

[sbf74]

Not entirely true Riceracer.....

The "mechanism" of injury is a VERY important feature in triaging and treating patients. This mechanism and style of injury, especially as it applies to the "velocity" and the "vectors of force" are very important in working out potential injuries. Sure, a photograph won't tell the whole story, and the patient needs to be stabilised and resuscitated, however.... knowing that the vehicle was hit at high speed from the passenger side with cabin intrusion is very helpful to us. And a quick photograph may be helpful to us..... I stress "may". Looking at the patient will NOT give you the whole story.

Likewise, why bring a motorcyclist's helmet to the hospital after a crash??? BECAUSE it shows you the mechanism, velocity, and vector of injury.

Just my $0.02

 

[paulsalter]

I'll just never understand the outrage against the lack of MMS on the iPhone. It's super easy to send a pic to someone's cell phone or email with the iPhone. And all you have to do is tell your friends your email address to have them sent to yours. They don't have to have email, they just have to send it to your email address instead if your phone number. Sure it's an extra step, but its FREE and takes about 2 seconds.

As far as the why the iPhone doesn't have MMS, I think it's simply a matter of seeing that smartphones are the way of the future and that the market doesn't really care. Considering the sales of iPhones, I'd hardly say a lack of MMS has held them back. Smartphone sales are grown exponentially and I can't imagine it will be too long before all cellphones are smartphones of some sort. Like was posted earlier, it's pretty clear that Apple views MMS much like they viewed the floppy drive- not worth their time or money to develop any longer. While there are plenty of people who do complain about it, the fact is that the iPhone is selling like hotcakes and MMS just isn't important to sales. The complainers are a very vocal minority.

For me, like I said, I'll take it or leave it. I haven't missed MMS for a second. Everyone I want to send pics to gets the rather I send them to their email or their phone and anyone that wants to send me a pic sends it to my email. And if it was enabled tomorrow I'd use MMS, as long as it is included in the ridiculous fee I pay monthly for SMS.

Which brings me to another point- comparing SMS and MMS, imo, is comparing apple's and oranges. While email is a perfect substitute for pics, I don't feel the same about texts.

This looks like the American view on things

The use of email does not work like that in other countries, I cannot send an email from my iPhone to a standard phone

And also are sales like you suggest the same in every country ?

The American poster are the vocal majority and as such the rest of the world gets ignored so such features will never appear

 

[briand05]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9000/4.6.0.167 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

There is no excuse imo for the lack of MMS on the iPhone, I don't even use MMS that much but I still want it there when I need it. The OP makes a very good point if Apple is so ahead of the curve then why don't they just drop SMS too. I'm sure SMS is older than MMS. MMS is still important imo, first of all not everybody has email on their phones but also even if they have email they probably don't have push email, which means that many people even they have email on their phone have to go and check their email box before they can see the picture you emailed them. With MMS which the average technically illiterate person if far more likely to have than push email they get it right away. Now for many It's not a deal breaker but that does not mean that there's anything good about not having MMS on the phone because there's not. Anybody that's saying it's a good thing that the iPhone is lacking MMS, copy and paste, video recording, etc. imo they're just being fanboys and refusing to find any fault with the device or Apple. I don't think of ANY missing features even if I don't use the feature that much as a "good thing", missing features are always a negative for me. Apple's continued omission of MMS on the iPhone is just mindblowingly stupid.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Thread is 3 pages long so far and I have yet to see anyone torn apart. The arguments against mms are purely based in opinion - they're personal preferences - which is OK. "mms is a bad, dying technology" (opinion), "use e-mail (this would be a person preference), costs too much money (not true, but it's a person choice to spend their money how they want). What else? There's also nice red herring arguments like "you shouldn't have bought the phone then" or "this is an old topic, move on" which may be valid points themselves, but have nothing to do with mms.

And you dug up the first response on a thread to call that poster out four pages later.

Take a look at the average MMS thread. More often than not people get pretty upset about it.

 

[Hutch1]

There is an excuse, Apple designed the phone and chose not to include MMS, it's their phone, their design. If you don't like the fact that's fine too, you have a choice you can choose not to buy it, and get a device that has the features that you require or you can buy the phone and bitch about something it doesn't have, they never promised it would have and sound like a whining twit who bought the wrong device because they wanted to look cool.

It's like bitching and whining because the Ferrari can't carry a sheet of plywood when any cheap $20 000 pick-up can, common Ferrari when the hell are you going to update the car so we can carry sheets of plywood.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

There is an excuse, Apple designed the phone and chose not to include MMS, it's their phone, their design. If you don't like the fact that's fine too, you have a choice you can choose not to buy it, and get a device that has the features that you require or you can buy the phone and bitch about something it doesn't have, they never promised it would have and sound like a whining twit who bought the wrong device because they wanted to look cool.

It's like bitching and whining because the Ferrari can't carry a sheet of plywood when any cheap $20 000 pick-up can, common Ferrari when the hell are you going to update the car so we can carry sheets of plywood.

Broken record..................... Broken record......................... Broken record.

 

[kas23]

I'll just never understand the outrage against the lack of MMS on the iPhone. It's super easy to send a pic to someone's cell phone or email with the iPhone. And all you have to do is tell your friends your email address to have them sent to yours. They don't have to have email, they just have to send it to your email address instead if your phone number. Sure it's an extra step, but its FREE and takes about 2 seconds.

I'll just never understand the outrage against MMS. If it's another feature that could be added, why would anyone care?? If you don't like it, then don't use it. Who cares. Just keep using e-mail. Myself, I probably receive 2 MMSs per year - I'm really not missing much. But, I'm sure as hell not going to argue on the internet with strangers against the addition of a feature I could potential benefit from.

As for telling the sender to send it to your e-mail, I could see this becoming a pain when you have to keep reminding them. If they're not close to you, they're not likely to remember.

As for MMS and SMS, they're very similar to me - they're both forms of communication. I'm a very visual person and sometimes its a lot easier to explain an emotion/event/description via a picture. This is the goal of MMS - you're not just sending a photograph If I want a photo that I'm going to save, like of a family member, I'll rather have it e-mailed to me.

But, if I'm texting back and forth and I'm in a happy/joking mood, maybe I'll MMS a funny picture of a person laughing. I don't need to send a perfect picture that I'm going to expect them to save. The picture is communicating an emotion, I don't really care about the photo itself. But, I certainly don't want people emailing me all these random pictures.

 

[PennCentralFan]

Being able to send pictures and so on via messaging is standard on almost every other phone. There is a clear need for it. I do miss it on my phone. SMS and MMS are widely and currently used by a lot of people.

To me it's Apple hubris, which as a company they are guilty of doing many times. It almost killed them in the mid to late 90s. Can you imagine if Ford started selling a car without AM radio. Yeah it's not as popular as FM, XM/Sirius or recorded music, but there's no logical reason for no AM radio in a car. It's like apple not having FM at least on the ipod. Why? Apple hubris. I mean the walkman had am/fm radio and that was part of the joy of it.

 

[WhySoSerious]

Broken record..................... Broken record......................... Broken record.

+1....i just ignore those replies.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Being able to send pictures and so on via messaging is standard on almost every other phone. There is a clear need for it. I do miss it on my phone. SMS and MMS are widely and currently used by a lot of people.

To me it's Apple hubris, which as a company they are guilty of doing many times. It almost killed them in the mid to late 90s. Can you imagine if Ford started selling a car without AM radio. Yeah it's not as popular as FM, XM/Sirius or recorded music, but there's no logical reason for no AM radio in a car. It's like apple not having FM at least on the ipod. Why? Apple hubris. I mean the walkman had am/fm radio and that was part of the joy of it.

What an excellent analogy. Well done sir.

Cue the "it's not the same!!!" crowd.

 

[WhySoSerious]

Being able to send pictures and so on via messaging is standard on almost every other phone. There is a clear need for it. I do miss it on my phone. SMS and MMS are widely and currently used by a lot of people.

To me it's Apple hubris, which as a company they are guilty of doing many times. It almost killed them in the mid to late 90s. Can you imagine if Ford started selling a car without AM radio. Yeah it's not as popular as FM, XM/Sirius or recorded music, but there's no logical reason for no AM radio in a car. It's like apple not having FM at least on the ipod. Why? Apple hubris. I mean the walkman had am/fm radio and that was part of the joy of it.

great point of view....and you are so right!

I drive a pretty nice car, outfitted with all the latest in stereo technology...however, even my nice sound system still plays AM radio. Tons of people still use AM on a daily basis and actually like it better than FM/Sat radio.

 

[kas23]

It's like bitching and whining because the Ferrari can't carry a sheet of plywood when any cheap $20 000 pick-up can, common Ferrari when the hell are you going to update the car so we can carry sheets of plywood.

This analogy is inappropriate. I wouldn't expect a ferrari to carry plywood, ever. It's not realistic. Do you know of any ferrari-like cars that can transport plywood? A lamborghini? A Porsche? There is no excuse for the iPhone not having MMS, because there are many other comparable phones that do have MMS.

A better analogy would be if a ferrrari didn't have air conditioning. People around here would then be saying "well, open a window." However, this would be an unfair request, because other similar cars (lamborghini, porsche, etc.) all have AC. Would we then tell the person who bought the Ferrari; "oh, don't bitch, you knew it didn't have AC, why did you buy it?" No, because air conditioning is not the only criteria in selecting a car. There are other factors; comfort of seats, the way it looks, the price, the engine, etc... So, let's stop with the "oh, why did you buy it then" arguement.

 

[synagence]

The cell networks love you to send SMS & MMS ... their charge/Kb of data for those 2 is astronomical and therefore yes ... keep using a technology that compresses your pictures to the point of being horrendous and avoid email that can send full uncompressed, full res pic.

Apple chose to exclude MMS .... get over it ... if it is such a big deal breaker than don't buy the iPhone

 

[WhySoSerious]

This analogy is inappropriate. I wouldn't expect a ferrari to carry plywood, ever. It's not realistic. Do you know of any ferrari-like cars that can transport plywood? A lamborghini? A Porsche? There is no excuse for the iPhone not having MMS, because there are many other comparable phones that do have MMS.

A better analogy would be if a ferrrari didn't have air conditioning. People around here would then be saying "well, open a window." However, this would be an unfair request, because other similar cars (lamborghini, porsche, etc.) all have AC. Would we then tell the person who bought the Ferrari; "oh, don't bitch, you knew it didn't have AC, why did you buy it?" No, because air conditioning is not the only criteria in selecting a car. There are other factors; comfort of seats, the way it looks, the price, the engine, etc... So, let's stop with the "oh, why did you buy it then" arguement.

...and you win "Post of the Thread!" I think you rationally isolated the discussion in favor of MMS. great job

 

[newportpaco]

The poster above had It right, the pics you send mms are not ones you would usally send email, the camera on the iPhone doesn't take the best pics but they do a great job of showing what your doing right now. Like I said earlier the lack of mms is not a deal beaker for me, this phone does so many other things that are amazing (ipod, apps, ect..)but for people to complain about a feature that they don't want included is crazy. They have had updates where they added other new features which I'm sure you didn't like because it was perfect from the start, for the people who complain that there is no need for mms, when the new iPhone comes out DONT get it because it is perfect the way it is right now, right??

 

[Cander]

Well, can't the same be said for SMS? If you want to send a text message, just email it!

I do say that actually. I tell my friends to email me when possible instead of SMS because I will be damned if I am going to pay for extra SMS.

I just fail to see how anyone can keep reading these reports of how phone companies rape you with SMS/MMS charges and still demand those features.

 

[dejo]

To me it's Apple hubris, which as a company they are guilty of doing many times. It almost killed them in the mid to late 90s. Can you imagine if Ford started selling a car without AM radio

Can you imagine if Apple started selling computers without ADB or without floppy drives? Oh wait, they did. And yet they are stronger than ever now.