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M1 Max Chip May Have More Raw GPU Performance Than a PlayStation 5
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When I got my i5 Mac Mini in 2018 I picked it up with 16GB RAM. I do a lot of photo editing in my career and in 2019 picked up a 30 megapixel camera. Editing photos of that size was almost unbearable since tools like Liquify didn't work in realtime. I added an additional 32GB RAM chip assuming that was my bottleneck. It wasn't.
I was seeing all these Mini's with high Metal scores on Geekbench 5 and starting investigating. They were all running eGPUs and BlackMagic wasn't the only player in town. I managed to pick up a supported eGPU and it was true plug and play. My OpenCL & Metal scores went from ~4,700 to ~33,000 where it sits now. More importantly, I can edit my large (16-bit) image files quickly and the GPU takes a load off the processor so it stays cool & not throttled. The GPU was exactly what the Mac was missing all along.
The comment I was replying to said Apple had no incentive to bring gaming to Macs.
Bringing gaming to Macs would make lots of people like me quite happy, since we wouldn’t need a Windows gaming machine on the side anymore.
So if Apple truly has, as the poster I was replying to claims, no incentive to bring gaming to Macs, then the happiness of users like me is, as I said, not something they care about.
Which is totally fine. They don’t owe me anything. It would just be nice, that’s all.
It’s not, again this is not about hardware but userbase. Try playing the latest Call of Duty on a Macbook Air!
A “pro” is more likely to or just use a dock via TB4.
people act like it’s a huge deal that it’s HDMI 2.0, it’s not, it handles MOST hdmi use cases and then you have 3 ports if you need something more.
So instead of being apart of the solution (making games for Mac users) you choose to be a part of the problem?
It does beg the question doesn't it?
What a bizarre assertion.
Apparently, as you see it, the choices are:
1) Ignore what gamers want entirely, or
2) That crazy stuff you just said.
I’m pretty sure there are some options between those two extremes?
They could sell a lot more. Their market share is pretty low. But before it was intel macs. What’s the point? Get a windows one. It runs much more. It games. Has better cheaper hardware options.
M1 changed the game. And the pro and max give it the graphics chops finally. It’s up to apple to change the prior mentalities that are still prevalent. I want to be able to use this at work. I want to run games. Much can happen in the next 5-10 years where we might say you get a mac for gaming and laugh at the thought of people still using windows/intel.
To most people, this kind of capability is meant for longevity. I type this on my mid-2013 MacBook Air, my daily driver which got Big Sur, and will probably get security updates for a couple more years. Then I'm getting one of these new Apple Silicon MacBooks, hoping they have the power to handle MacOS 17, 18, or more.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but I could care less how these new MBPs perform in a AAA game. I want to see performance in FCP X, Resolve, Motion, After Effects, Blender, Cinema 4D, et al. I can drop $500 for a console, but I’m not dropping $3099 for a MacBook Pro for games. Most pros for whom time is money and billable hours are king, the only metric that matters is overall performance in Pro apps.
Visit the apple website iPhone 13 AR demo. Your device heats up within seconds. Within a minute it gets HOT. That’s because your device doesn’t have proper cooling. Sure these new M1’s have proper cooling but let’s see how long sustained performance is after thorough testing.
sure these are extremely efficient SoC design but physics is real as well.
Core counts are irrelevant other than as an implementation detail. All that matters is the multi threading cpu throughout in real world scenarios and the benchmark scores look very good. Apples cores are more powerful than competitors for one thing.
The emphasis on gpu is annoying to me too. As a software developer it will do me no good so I ordered the M1 pro. I hope 32gb will be enough long term.
And I couldn’t care less how they perform in any of those apps, since my workflow doesn’t require them.
But what I do like to do is relax with a game every now and then after the work is done, and if I’ve got this machine (with the luxurious screen and keyboard I want) with all that GPU power going to waste, it sure would be nice if I didn’t have to have a Windows gaming machine on the side to do something the Mac could do, if only Apple would put in the effort to woo a few developers into supporting real gaming on Macs — now that they have the chops to actually do it.
These new laptops are targeting proRes period. Even the new SoC’s have built in proRes hardware. They are marketed as pure content creation devices. On the go and it’s amazing. But to say how many TF performance and use dedicated console machines as a laughing target is just hilarious. Apple could also get into the industry of making digital cameras but the margins aren’t enough for them. If they tried to do video gaming they will fail basically because they price everyone out.
Well, yes, and that's what Apple did: build some very nice GPUs and create some very nice GPU APIs and tools.
I basically just want the 120Hz screen and upgraded keyboard. If they’d make me one without the fancy GPU at all I’d be quite happy with it, but that’s not how they roll anymore.
The only reason I want the fancy screen is because I do a lot of writing and editing and scrolling/searching through long documents on my 2018 MBP sometimes makes me super queasy by the end of the day. Mostly I have it docked to a monitor with a high refresh rate and low response time, but that’s not always an option.
They used to make the 15” machines without a GPU and sell them a lot cheaper, but those days are apparently gone.
Marketshare is the problem. It is going to take a huge leap of faith from an established games publisher to pump money into a AAA game version for the Apple Mac that due to marketshare has the potential to make the games publisher a huge loss.
Also, gaming on iOS is hugely popular and hugely profitable for Apple so why would Apple create a machine that has the specs and performance for gaming want to have games published for it that could potentially take away gamers from iOS and onto mac laptops?.
The bare minimum, in other words.
”Here’s this stuff. Use it if you want to.”
Not exactly what I had in mind. But, like I said, they don’t owe me anything. I have a Windows gaming machine that does everything I want it to do and more.
Right, if they can’t force every Mac game through the Mac App Store and wring their 15-30% out of it, they have no interest in it. Pretty much the opposite of what Microsoft is doing on Windows.
Of course, the instant Microsoft’s app store stops being a running joke and starts turning a profit, their tune will likely begin to change.
M1 Pro might not be a simple M1 with more cores. M1's cores are based of an A14 while the M1 Pro might be based of the A15. We don't know yet.
Apple emphasised the GPU a lot yesterday because it's the main differentiating factor between the M1 Pro and M1 Max.
Those extra cores will help you in any graphics intensive application that is coded well enough to take advantage of multiple GPU's.
As an example, imagine that macs ran the same games as windows, the M1 Max would be the go-to option if you wanted more FPS or better graphics out of your games.
I'd imagine the M1 Max will be a beast for Final Cut Pro and things like that. For anyone not doing graphics nor gaming, the M1 Pro is a better value as it brings the same CPU performance for way less money. (unless you need 64Gb, in that case you have to go with the M1 Max).
i think with these 2 gpu options you can go with 60fps with Deus Ex: Mankind Divided or Rise of The Tomb Raider at 120fps..again i personally dont game in general, just some lighter PvP game
It should be impressive dota 2 or LoL at 120fps native resolution to work..
I think a lot of people are saying that WoW (i think its called, MMORPG) it can be played now native at 120fps at native resolution, it should look great
This is why Apple struck deals with Microsoft for Office… if it ain’t on platform people won’t buy it. Apple is doing a disservice to itself by being anti gamer.. all because Apple wants to control the GPU and graphics api instead of support open APIs like vulkan
You sound like you have a PS5 and this news is upsetting you. Look, I have a PS5 as well and I’m not upset at all. It’s not that serious. Just respect the fact that Apple is accomplishing this. Both the new MacBook Pro and Xbox Series X have more TF than PS5. Who cares.