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Mac OS 10.5.2, Mac Pro Update At Macworld?

Hopefully the insanity of using Itanic in Xserve means they're not going BluRay either... Our Mac is our movie player and we've been stuck without HD support so far, but it's becoming pretty clear to me that BluRay isn't going to go the distance...
 
Seriously, my apps don't do a great job of utilizing the 4 cores in my current MP so getting the latest 8 core version does little to get me excited.

What I am waiting for is a new lineup of video card options for the MP. Current pricing is outrageous given the technology is 2 years old. I'm looking for a really solid mid-range card. None of this 7300GT crap and even my budget can't stretch for a Quadro, just something right in the middle at a decent price point.

Blu-ray drives would be nice, but let's face it the price of the media is insane! I love the idea of 50GB on a DL blu-ray disc but the other day when I saw a 5 pack for $164 I nearly fell out of my seat. All this and not to mention that HD DVD is winning the hardware war. I mean damn, did you see that Wally World had limited quantities of HD DVD players on sale for $99! Also, from what I can see a lot of studios have moved away from blu-ray exclusive releases. Even the ones that do do blu-ray only releases in the US often release the same movie in HD format overseas.

And on the subject of the lag time between hardware updates...HELLO, can we see some new Cinema Displays?!?!? C'mon Apple - you pull the iSights ages ago, don't replace them with diddly and you haven't built them into your monitors.
 
This def has some substance behind and sounds plausible 😱

Just make sure they at least have an 8800GTS G92 version and/or ATI 3870
 
Michael73 said:
All this and not to mention that HD DVD is winning the hardware war. I mean damn, did you see that Wally World had limited quantities of HD DVD players on sale for $99! Also, from what I can see a lot of studios have moved away from blu-ray exclusive releases. Even the ones that do do blu-ray only releases in the US often release the same movie in HD format overseas.
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Before you go rattling off "facts" about HD-DVD's success, you might want to get some actual data to support your unfounded statements. One excellent source of reliable information about the HD formats is www.thedigitalbits.com. After reading through the information there, come back and we can discuss this with some credible statements.
 
chameleon said:
Sounds like one of the most reasonable theories we've heard so far. Nothing too outlandish, but all plausible.

8 Cores on all systems is interesting. I guess that means we won't see a "4 Core Discount Mac Pro" in the $2,000-ish price range as some had suspected.
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The MacPro Quad 2ghz is $2,200. Is that $2000ish enough for you?
 
Am I the only one doesn't want to see an iSight on a Cinema display? I thought it would nice, but I take it back.

A 25GB BD-R is under $20, not that bad actually (for me). Isn't Apple one of the members in Blu-ray Disc Association? Either they gonna drop a dual-format drive (e.g. LG model) or Steve cannot demo any Disney HD movie on stage.
 
The use of Itaniums sounds very doubtful to me. Why should Apple maintain a 4th MacOSX codebase?

Jochen
 
minik said:
A 25GB BD-R is under $20, not that bad actually (for me).
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But with Sony in charge of it, I expect it to stay at a premium over the "standardised" formats.

Yes, Apple is a member of the HD DVD group and the BR Association and has stated in the past that it will back both formats.
 
I doubt the part about the Itanium. Itanium is not binary compatible with the Pentium and "core" processors. Apple would have to make their "universal" binaries even more "universal". I can't see why the Xserve would need that much CPU power a quad-core processor like what's in the Mac Pro would be enough

I can see Apple moving to the Intel compiler. But not doing it in two months. At work I moved my code from gcc to Sun's "Studio 11" compiler and I'm having to fix quite a few little nit-picks. Mac OS X is huge, they will run into thousands of little things and each will have to be identified, assiged to some engineer fixed, tested and written up and put back into configuration management. Basically is is just money work but lots of it. And why? Is there much to be gained? Gcc is quite good.
 
Stridder44 said:
Seriously! I can't understand the weird fetish some people have with a "sub-ultra think notebook". Like they seriously orgasm at the thought of a tablet. No optical drive? Less than 12" screen? And you want it to be "professional" too?? HA. What the crap do you intend to do with it? I mean is the 13" MacBook not small enough?? What's the point? It's not like you'd get a dedicated graphics card with it. If anything the specs would be lower than the MacBook's.

I get the feeling that it's these same people that get a hard at SSD and think a 64GB SSD would be "plenty". "Professional" and "64GB" should not be put in the same sentence.
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people that want the "Ultra portable, Extremely mobile mac" also want it to have 4 cores and will complain about how hot it gets.

I so agree with you 64gb on a "pro" laptop?
get serious i been editing hd video and 64gb will not cut it for hd or raw files they quickly add up.

Anybody else cliaming otherwise have yet to experience 1 minute=1gb hd video and 20-32mb raw files and we all know how quick photos pile up specially when snapping away and sorting through hundreds of shots to remove the un-needed ones.

I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT A PORTABLE i know many people want the cool wow small package mac factor...but teh more screen real estate the better for me.
I cant imagine doing some editing on a 1024x768 or 1280x768 resolutions.

i know i know there will be some professionals that will say "WELL I DO IT AND IM JUST FINE" but not me and im sure just like there are some that will disagree will agree with what i just said.
 
For 10.5.2, see 10.1.2 and 10.3.2

10.5.2 will come out before Christmas, just like 10.1.2 and 10.3.2.

I have spoken (well, typed).
 
longofest said:
It's Page2 because I don't have a lot of confidence in the accuracy of the report. But we're keeping tabs on any news of the Mac Pro, and we'll let you know accordingly.
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even if you do not have confidence that a Mac Pro will be released in January, it seems that perhaps 10.5.2 is likely... i think this should be moved to Page 1...
 
MacCoaster said:
Xcode supports multiple compiler backends. You can install Intel compilers and have Xcode use it. Xcode is not a compiler, it's an IDE. The advantage of Intel compilers are obvious, they produce faster binaries than GCC.

GCC 4.3 supports SSE4. It is not officially out as stable, but that didn't stop Apple from releasing GCC 4.0 for Tiger before GCC 4.0 was officially out as stable.
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I was quite aware that XCode is just an IDE, but I was unaware that Apple supports using anything other than GCC with it.
 
G4DP said:
<snip>WHY IS IT TOO BIG? IS IT TOO HEAVY FOR YOU TO CARRY. WELL BE A MAN AND GROW SOME. GOD GAVE YOU MUSCLES FOR A REASON. SO GET OF YOUR LARD A$$'$ AND USE THEM.
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Maybe it is because we are using our muscles that we want something tiny and light?
 
I get the feeling the MP will be updated with new cinema displays at Macworld...

Then there will be a new App for the iPhone/Touch.

Then I am really hoping for a major software update to the Apple TV...possibly iTunes '08 as well.

As far as the HD DVD / Blu-Ray war, neither side is winning...Apple clearly hates both and would prefer to have downloads and internet content. However, Apple has stated they are neutral in the war, so do not expect a sole Blu-Ray burner/player. They already have the software support to author HD DVD's in DVD Studio Pro, so it is a simple solution to add an HD DVD burner...Blu-Ray requires a software rewrite...I am guessing that both will be added, although I am not expecting to see it until NAB in April as that is the target audience.
 
Macrumors said:
However, other aspects of the story lead to some doubt. Apple has typically not used Macworld to discuss its professional workstation or server line. In addition, claims that Apple will use Itanium 2 processors for an upcoming "Xserve Ultra" appears to be farfetched and remains uncorroborated from traditionally reliable rumor sources.

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When I read the original article doesn't it say anything about a Xserver Ultra to be presented during the MacWorld. What it say is this: "According to our sources, Apple might be launching a series of Xserve "Ultra" powered by Itanium 2 in a near future."

That is something rahter plausible, isn't it.
 
Why doesn't seem anybody glowing about SSE4

but Mac fanboy sites. The technical community isn't excited (neither disappointed) about SSE4. Most of the new instructions are rather convenience functions, making the life of a hand writing machine programmer somewhat easier. Don't dump your SSE3 machines, yet. From the SSE perspective alone there won't be much difference.
 
RichP said:
It all sounds very reasonable.

The only way we would see a "discount" quad core machine is they release a machine with a single quad core chip (like some of the G5 setups) Its possible...
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Agreed, however I'm rather convinced that the next quad-core machine Apple will produce will be next fall when Penryn QC chips are released and Apple puts them in the imac/mbp. Depending on their heat production though it may just be a replacement for the core2extreme 2.8 option in current imacs...and i wouldn't put that machine in the "discount" category.
 
If the rumor about 10.5.2 at macworld is true it means

a) 10.5.2 must have some really new features. Just imagine Steve Jobs announcing during his keynote address an OS X update fixing lots of bugs and improving stability. That would be a real highlight of the speech, wouldn't it?

b) If like me you've been wanting an update fixing lots of bugs and improving stability you'll have to wait for 10.5.3 or even 10.5.4 as an update of the kind mentioned in this rumor will surely not concentrate on those (and, in fact, might accomplish the opposite).


On Mac pro news.
I've been desperate for a new mac Pro but I'll believe in it only when I see it. Another article on the same website posted today claims that Intel has just discovered a bug in penryns which might push new mac pros back a month or more.
 
V.K. said:
On Mac pro news. I've been desperate for a new mac Pro but I'll believe in it only when I see it. Another article on the same website posted today claims that Intel has just discovered a bug in penryns which might push new mac pros back a month or more.
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You've left out the most important line though...

Currently, it remains unclear if Xeon Penryn will also be affected or only the Quad Core Extreme desktop-dedicated CPU.

We just don't know which ones yet. Hopefully we will find out by next week, otherwise I'm ordering a MacPro now.
 
If there really is a penryn bug

If there is a bug in the Penryn chips, that pushes the MAc Pro update back a month or so, many people will not only be peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'd off, but will then start to think about waiting for Nehalem.

So say the bug pushes the launch back a month, that's mid feb before they come out. Nehalem comes out end of October or the beginning of November.
A third through it's product cylce before being usable.

I thought this sort of thing was the exact reason that Apple switched to Intel in the first place.
 
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