Looks like some of you will be receiving Tiger just as I am purchasing a new computer with it pre-installed.
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Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Shipping
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shawnce said:
How much data do you think that they push out via Software Updater? I don't think that it is the bandwidth that is the issue, I think it is the DRM. Plus, most people would like to have a physical copy of their OS for installs. Also, in the event of a crash, it would be pretty difficult to fire up Software Updater...
That being said, I would love to see this someday...
Ship Date vs. Delivery Date
It seams like some have not recognized that the date of 4/28 is a ship on or before date not a DELIVERY date.
It seams like some have not recognized that the date of 4/28 is a ship on or before date not a DELIVERY date.
Dashboard question
Whenever I heard about Dashboard, I figured that it was an always-visible semi-translucent window layer for gadets, etc.
Apparently, Dashboard is activated like expose - you click a button (or a key) and the widgets switch-in, making your desktop into a temporary dashboard display. Then when you're done it switches the Dashboard layer out, bringing you back to whatever you were doing.
Is there a preference or something to make dashboard always-visible at 20% (or 10%) opacity?
It's kind of silly not to be able to see these widgets until you do something. It'd be much neater if they were visible all the time.
BTW, the Tiger UI seems to be about 15-20% faster then Panther on this 1ghz eMac I've got it running on. Very nice.
Most importantly, ASM still works! Yahoo!
Whenever I heard about Dashboard, I figured that it was an always-visible semi-translucent window layer for gadets, etc.
Apparently, Dashboard is activated like expose - you click a button (or a key) and the widgets switch-in, making your desktop into a temporary dashboard display. Then when you're done it switches the Dashboard layer out, bringing you back to whatever you were doing.
Is there a preference or something to make dashboard always-visible at 20% (or 10%) opacity?
It's kind of silly not to be able to see these widgets until you do something. It'd be much neater if they were visible all the time.
BTW, the Tiger UI seems to be about 15-20% faster then Panther on this 1ghz eMac I've got it running on. Very nice.
Most importantly, ASM still works! Yahoo!
bcsmith said:
Not sure I see the DRM issue... you would be downloading it from Apple.
No DRM exists on the Mac OS X DVD/CD to preventing you from letting friends use your disk, you ripping the disk and sharing, etc.
Apple tries to trust their users and I glad for that since adding DRM would just add to the potential issues at and after install time (as well as adding cost to Apple and users). Now if folks continue to break that trust then Apple may be forced to take action and use some type of DRM / system authentication.
bcsmith said:
Agreed however such a download would likely require one to burn the downloaded image to DVD before install anyways, so you would have a local physical copy.
Build
Please post the Tiger build number if you have the release version - please !
(Apple menu -> About this Mac -> Click "Version 10.4" and it will display the build number)
Thanks in advance
Please post the Tiger build number if you have the release version - please !
(Apple menu -> About this Mac -> Click "Version 10.4" and it will display the build number)
Thanks in advance
bcsmith said:
Of course people should be smart enough not to download it unless they have a dvd burner.
I'm hoping to get my copy of Tiger on the 29th; that's my birthday so its the perfect present. Unfortunately I have 3 days of college left (finals ) and I figure I better wait until afterwards to install. I would hate to be at school, install Tiger and then not be able to get on the network or internet. Yes, that is unlikely, but very possible with my school. They force all residential PCs run Cisco Clean Access (I'm sure some of you know what this program is) and last Wednesday the server refused to let my PB onto the network. Something about access denied, but was resolved within 2 hours.
) and I figure I better wait until afterwards to install. I would hate to be at school, install Tiger and then not be able to get on the network or internet. Yes, that is unlikely, but very possible with my school. They force all residential PCs run Cisco Clean Access (I'm sure some of you know what this program is) and last Wednesday the server refused to let my PB onto the network. Something about access denied, but was resolved within 2 hours.cowboy1980 said:
Well the download of Tiger is about the same as 800+ songs and the connection to download that large image would stay open far longer then for song downloads (unless they split the image up into pieces... adding to the user experience).
Bandwidth is an issue, as is user experience and support that would go along with it, etc.
usarioclave said:
all you have to do is press a single button to see it. I dont see that as being alot of work. and why would you want all your widgets visable all the time. it would be very distracting from your normal work
THIS COULD NOT BE MORE TRUE! However, Apple is smart enough to tell their customers that they aren't responsible for any data lost. This would be included, as is the music store purchases.
shawnce said:You don't know the average user
I'd say developers will get their free Tiger DVD's in the next ADC mailing, which will probably be posted out in the first week of May. I doubt it will be the fully boxed retail version... Although it would be nice if they shipped to developers at the same time as those who preordered..
In the meantime I'm running the last seeded Build 8A425 for a while now without any problems.
The only thing that might cause some folks difficulty is when you install tiger, Mail converts your MBOX file to the new EMLX format to support Spotlight, which can be a bit of a pain. Especially if you use other email clients...
Anyway a useful fix can be found at EMLX to MBOX convertor
In the meantime I'm running the last seeded Build 8A425 for a while now without any problems.
The only thing that might cause some folks difficulty is when you install tiger, Mail converts your MBOX file to the new EMLX format to support Spotlight, which can be a bit of a pain. Especially if you use other email clients...
Anyway a useful fix can be found at EMLX to MBOX convertor
(assuming they have a BT client our Apple hooks them up with one)Sunrunner said:Sounds like a good comercial use for Bittorrent to me
AppleSupport: Hello?
Customer: Yeah I am downloading Tiger using BT and it is going real slow.
AppleSupport: Yes that is to be expected until you stop becoming a greedy leech but lets check what ports are mapped through your NAT and firewall to insure you will get the best speed.
Customer: WTF, I am not a leech... I paid for this $^%& download... oh and NAT what?
shawnce said:(assuming they have a BT client our Apple hooks them up with one)
AppleSupport: Hello?
Customer: Yeah I am downloading Tiger using BT and it is going real slow.
AppleSupport: Yes that is to be expected until you stop becoming a leech but lets check what ports are mapped through your NAT and firewall to insure you will get the best speed.
Customer: WTF, I am not a leech... I paid for this $^%& download... oh and NAT what?
lol, good point
wookitus said:
There is a problem with all .Mac resources right now!
My Mail App keeps re-downloading Headers for 1900 emails over and over again - they must be doing something with .Mac; even my iDisk is 80% slower than usual. Also, just went back to the Store and the Server Error still exists. Is anyone experiencing the same issues?
I have a possibly stupid question, does apply charge you when you place your order or when it ships? I'm just curious, my order also says processing (yes I caught the post where its the new term for open) and was wondering thats all.