Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions

[Diatribe]

(I've remerged the site feedback thread into this one)

Here's the official response from the site owner. Site policy about the talk of piracy has been very consistent over the years.

Here's a post I made in 2005


Someone posting their experiences with the Retail version of Leopard onto a public forum is newsworthy. People care about it, and that's why it is on the front page. Even that Retail Leopard has been leaked by itself is newsworthy and there will certainly be stories about it in the mainstream media later today.

I've posted this before, but a close parallel is AppleInsider's Leopard series. That information was obtained through a pirated version of Mac OS X Leopard Developer Seed. Almost certainly. It's unlikely that AppleInsider signed the NDA required to legally obtain Mac OS X Leopard.

Now, I understand that it may leave a bad taste in some people's mouths that the original source of this may likely have obtained a copy illegally. But this individual chose to do so and posted the information in a public forum. At that moment, the information contained was "out there" and of interest.

MacRumors did not ask that individual or any other individual to pirate Leopard to obtain any information.

I'm comfortable with this distinction, and still consider the information newsworthy.

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I don't think you should compare the in-depth AI articles to some incoherent ramblings of a random user but that's just me.

I guess the way it happened just left a bad taste in some people's mouth. I agree that it is of interest to hear about Leopard, I just don't think it was necessary to put a thread about a pirated version of Leopard of a user that has talked about pirating, etc. in the past on the front page, especially since it didn't really provide any info and it was so close to official release.

I just think it was bad judgement nothing else. I agree with the general idea of your argument though.

 

[Orng]

(I've remerged the site feedback thread into this one)

Here's the official response from the site owner. Site policy about the talk of piracy has been very consistent over the years.

I thought pirates were the Good Guys now?

 

[dejo]

I thought pirates were the Good Guys now?

Those are old pirates. New pirates are NOT good guys.

 

[VaDor]

I confirm the leak, I personally found the same seed of Leopard.

Anyway I would expect people buy a license.. and I understand many want to install it now just for curiosity but I expect will buy a Leopard license...

 

[arkmannj]

Screenshot of Retail version which has been leaked into the internet:
http://bayimg.com/gAHGBaAbl

As you can see it's Retail versions, look at "About this Mac" window and dock on the right side.

Anyone notice the dock looks a little off ?
Does the new dock have more adjustable visual settings ?
(like to turn off 3d look)

The dock just doesn't look like the dock I've typically seen in previews/screenshots in the past.

 

[dejo]

Anyone notice the dock looks a little off ?
Does the new dock have more adjustable visual settings ?
(like to turn off 3d look)

The dock just doesn't look like the dock I've typically seen in previews/screenshots in the past.

Mac OS X Leopard 9A581's Dock Visual Tweaks

 

[arkmannj]

Mac OS X Leopard 9A581's Dock Visual Tweaks

Nice, thank you.

I like the simplicity of it, the 3D dock looks kinda cool, but when I've got lots of stuff going on I think I will like the 2D dock more.
Thanks again for the response.

 

[Sun Baked]

I don't think you should compare the in-depth AI articles to some incoherent ramblings of a random user but that's just me.

I guess the way it happened just left a bad taste in some people's mouth. I agree that it is of interest to hear about Leopard, I just don't think it was necessary to put a thread about a pirated version of Leopard of a user that has talked about pirating, etc. in the past on the front page, especially since it didn't really provide any info and it was so close to official release.

I just think it was bad judgement nothing else. I agree with the general idea of your argument though.

Well Peter did something stupid ... it is out there, he had a chance to edit the thread or ask for it to be deleted.

It is still there, so likely he is basking in the glory. Let him, some people like to be the source of a leak and get credit.

If he had said look what I downloaded to my office computer, it would be different. Since they now offer up to a million dollar reward for reporting piracy in the workplace (not Apple, another group Apple is a member of.)

 

[Moe]

Does someone knows when is leopard coming to the shelves in colleges and universities?

Those who ordered 100+ copies will have it for sale on Friday. For those who ordered fewer than 100, it won't SHIP until Friday. :-( That's caused an uproar from smaller schools planning [edit: 6PM] Leopard sales/install parties. So says one campus store I spoke with.

 

[Lesser Evets]

will it be "blazing fast", in comparison to tiger...?

I suspect everything will be blazingly fast in this OS release.

Especially the thrill factor.
Expect your amazement to fade 50% faster than with other OS releases.

 

[jay-t]

According to a German forum (mac-essentials.de), the dock can also be set to appear in 2D at the bottom...

Link: http://www.mac-essentials.de/index.php/mac/comments/leopard1/

 

[morespce54]

Anyone knows if Quicksilver is working with Leopard?
If so, is it better/same/worst as with Tiger?

 

[WestonHarvey1]

No way

Considering Apple is now a multi-billion dollar corporate empire, similar to Microsoft but with more black t-shirts, I don't think a few pirated copies of Leopard will affect them much. However, I do believe that activation is something they should be doing right now. It just makes sense.

One of the nice thing about Macs is that Apple doesn't insult paying customers by making them jump through the same hoops pirates do. Microsoft has the opposite idea. OS X is proprietary and most Mac owners buy it anyway.

 

[CWallace]

I've been working OT this week so I can bail early on Friday and get home and start playing with the new kitty.

 

[chris200x9]

Reformatting the hard drive requires you to call Adobe and Microsoft to activate again or no go.

you sure about that? I've installe xp 1 time on my main computer then it broke then I installed it again on my macbook and it went fine.

and I also have cs3 web premium which I installed for mac on my mabook then clean installed tiger after and re-registered cs3 no problem.

 

[Sijmen]

Apple resellers will have Leopard friday at 6 PM too here in the Netherlands. That means it's released in Europe hours before the US

 

[Ibjr]

Asked Mods to delete his request and follow-ups. I can't understand the "since it's out there, let's all have it" mentality that seems to be behind the request (it's also seems a little crazy to solicit that on a public board). Also the assumption that there's a torrent or piracy and wanting to get in on it if it that's the case.

I checked my credit card statement and it clearly show Apple has already billed me for my license to use Leopard on one machine. It doesn't matter what CD I install it from, it only matters that I install it only once.

The logical extension of your statement leads to every IT person on earth breaking the law when they upgrade multiple machines with one disk. That is allowable as long as they have paid for a license.

The physical disk doesn't matter, we've already seen legitimate disks floating around the Stanford campus, only the license.

 

[deepakhj]

I am so tired of people whining "piracy this" and "piracy that" and how evil someone is for getting a copy of leopard before the release date.

Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?

Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.

I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.

Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.

Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.

Best reply in this thread!

 

[cubman7]

Leopard

Would it be better to just do a erase and install rather than archive and install? Will I still get all the new functions of leopard if I just do archive and install because it seemed like you don't from what I read in an earlier post. I only have papers from school on neo office that are important so I could just back them up and redownload neo office and put them back on if I did erase and install? Any suggestions?

 

[tmoney468]

This is off-topic, but does anyone know if I order Leopard from Apple today if I will get it delivered by Friday? It still says so on their site but I find it hard to believe...or would I have to buy the fast shipping?

 

[DoreanGrae]

Can we drop the piracy discussion and get back to actually talking about the OS? That's be great.

 

[DoreanGrae]

This is off-topic, but does anyone know if I order Leopard from Apple today if I will get it delivered by Friday? It still says so on their site but I find it hard to believe...or would I have to buy the fast shipping?

They say that if you order by midnight on the 24th (that'd be today), you'll get it Friday. They're using priority overnight shipping, so they're going to ship out tomorrow if you get the order in today.

No word (that I know of, anyway) on what time zone "midnight" refers to, though.

 

[Palestrina]

If you are really that interested there are 3 links to the original thread on the first page, you can read for yourself

Hey, thanks for taking the whole thing so seriously.

 

[jruc4871]

Best reply in this thread!

If by best you mean worst, then i agree.

The submitter is "pretty sure" that most people who downloaded the GM early have already bought it/plan on buying it. I would bet serious money against that.

 

[Palestrina]

I am so tired of people whining "piracy this" and "piracy that" and how evil someone is for getting a copy of leopard before the release date.

Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?

Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.

I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.

Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.

Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.

You're certainly not a horrible monster, but it poses and ethical dilemma. One can explain it all away and say how they've done nothing wrong and that they're otherwise a model citizen. I'm sure you're a decent person. But have you thought about the hundreds of designers, programmers, advertisers, manufacturers who've made this operating system their life's work for the last few years? Did they work so hard so someone can install a probably illegally obtained copy early and start showing off to all their friends days before it's released? I contend it does hurt people.

I just hope no one here read all the Harry Potter books before they came out, too.