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Breaking a EULA is breaking a contract. You aren't breaking the law.

But the fuzzy legalities of EULAs has been discussed here to death, let's stay on topic.

Well, let's just continue to the point where we get it right: If you don't accept the EULA (as you demonstrate by installing MacOS X on a Hackintosh), then you have no license, therefore no right to make any copies at all, therefore copyright infringement. And since an unmodified copy of MacOS X will not install on any unmodified PC without circumvention of the DRM, that's a DMCA violation.
 
The partition you are installing Lion onto. I assume since you are installing OS X, you'll have a partition ready for installing it.
Oh you mean I need a fresh empty partition to install Lion and not do an upgrade?

The post I was commenting on said it copied stuff to your "installer partition". That could be taken as a special Installer partition.

I don't call my bootable OS partition the "installer partition" - I call it the OS or System (or maybe Boot) partition.

Note the post said "installER" and not "install" partition which means different things.

It creates a Recovery Partition when you start the install. (Edit: I misuderstood what iBug2 meant by that.)
The same question applies... what is it going to carve the "Recovery Partition" out of?
 
Oh you mean I need a fresh empty partition to install Lion and not do an upgrade?

The post I was commenting on said it copied stuff to your "installer partition". That could be taken as a special Installer partition.

I don't call my bootable OS partition the "installer partition" I call it in short form the OS or (maybe boot) partition.

Sorry for misleading. By install partition I just meant the one you are installing onto. I assume it'll work the same way for upgrades, but I haven't upgraded an OS since 1995 or so, can't comment on that. :)
 
So will one purchase of Lion on Mac App Store be good for 5 computers? OS updates haven't typically worked this way, have they?
 
So will one purchase of Lion on Mac App Store be good for 5 computers? OS updates haven't typically worked this way, have they?

No idea. Probably will have to wait until Lion is released to find out. For all we know, there probably isn't a Mac App Store version. It's just a rumour.
 
Oh you mean I need a fresh empty partition to install Lion and not do an upgrade?

No, you can do an upgrade just fine.

The same question applies... what is it going to carve the "Recovery Partition" out of?

Out of whereever you decide to install Lion. It's non-destructible.

No idea. Probably will have to wait until Lion is released to find out. For all we know, there probably isn't a Mac App Store version. It's just a rumour.

At this point, the evidence is overwhelming that there will be an App Store version, to the point where it's likelier that we won't see a DVD version.

So will one purchase of Lion on Mac App Store be good for 5 computers? OS updates haven't typically worked this way, have they?

I'm pretty sure that once you download the installer, you can do anything you want with it. No DRM. But in any case, Mac App Store purchases don't have a 5 computer limit. It's anything tied to your AppleID.
 
No, you can do an upgrade just fine.



Out of whereever you decide to install Lion. It's non-destructible.

You missed the sarcasm. I was pretty sure you could do an upgrade. But it had to do with the wording of comments others had made.

As for the "Recovery Partition" - it's going to carve it out of my bootable OS partition that I'm upgrading? What if there is data throughout the whole filesystem on the partition? Then it can't just shrink the partition without defraging the file system and moving data around. It also needs to be careful to what it does to the partition table on a disk with multiple partitions.
 
So will one purchase of Lion on Mac App Store be good for 5 computers? OS updates haven't typically worked this way, have they?

Yes, so far an OS X install license was only for one computer. But any app distributed through App Store must have unlimited licenses, which is listed in terms of agreement of distributing through App Store.

So I don't think Apple will break their own terms when they put OS X on it. So for the first time Apple will be selling OS X with unlimited licenses, but that is unlimited per one apple ID of course.
 
As for the "Recovery Partition" - it's going to carve it out of my bootable OS partition that I'm upgrading? What if there is data throughout the whole filesystem on the partition? Then it can't just shrink the partition without defraging the file system and moving data around. It also needs to be careful to what it does to the partition table on a disk with multiple partitions.

If you don't have enough space, it'll tell you. I imagine it makes a partition the same way the Boot Camp utility does.
 
I just hope it comes via DVD too. I run a Hackintosh PC, so I think updating to Lion via Mac App Store might break something.

Which is one of the reasons why they might not do a DVD. They are not obligated to avoid breaking tactics like making a hackintosh.

Add also the failure with their $29 Snow Leopard upgrade disk that was supposed to only be used if you had Leopard but worked for everyone. Another reason to not have a disk


I hope there's a disk release so that if I have to restore/clean install I won't have to install Snow Leopard, download 10.6.8 then download and install Lion.


You could always do what I do. When a new OS comes out I have a small partition on my drive that is used when my main volume appears to be corrupt. I erase it, install the new OS, install all my apps, run updates etc. And then I use that copy to make a bootable back up drive in case the whole drive cacks out.
 
Add also the failure with their $29 Snow Leopard upgrade disk that was supposed to only be used if you had Leopard but worked for everyone. Another reason to not have a disk
Actually they could do a major price difference between the App Store download and purchasing a physical copy of Lion.

Right now the App Store only works on the latest version of 10.6. Imagine someone who had 10.5 want to go to Lion? That would require Apple to keep around physical copies of 10.6 for sale, which I can't see happening. Also having to do an intermediate OS upgrade is not in line with Apple's vision of keeping things easy for the user.
 
Actually they could do a major price difference between the App Store download and purchasing a physical copy of Lion.

Right now the App Store only works on the latest version of 10.6. Imagine someone who had 10.5 want to go to Lion? That would require Apple to keep around physical copies of 10.6 for sale, which I can't see happening. Also having to do an intermediate OS upgrade is not in line with Apple's vision of keeping things easy for the user.

This seems the most reasonable thing to do. I bet they will sell Lion for cheap for SL owners, like they did with SL, so if you have SL, you have App Store, buy it cheap.

If you don't have SL, you need physical disk, which is more expensive. But they have to sell physical disk unless Lion will only be an upgrade for SL users, which would be very inconvenient for some.
 
But in any case, Mac App Store purchases don't have a 5 computer limit. It's anything tied to your AppleID.
Yeah, I'm not sure where I got the number 5 from. The App Store also is unlimited in terms of iOS devices, is that correct?

I like licensing terms like this. It's how software licenses should be.
 
Actually they could do a major price difference between the App Store download and purchasing a physical copy of Lion.

Won't work. Folks would just torrent copies of SL or grab the $29 versions from best buy etc before it disappears or the prices go nutty.

Quick question, if I buy a Mac before its release will I get a free upgrade?

If you buy a Mac before it is announced, no. If you buy one between when it is announced and the actual release, they have in the past and they might this time. Then again depending on the price they might not.
 
This seems the most reasonable thing to do. I bet they will sell Lion for cheap for SL owners, like they did with SL, so if you have SL, you have App Store, buy it cheap.

If you don't have SL, you need physical disk, which is more expensive. But they have to sell physical disk unless Lion will only be an upgrade for SL users, which would be very inconvenient for some.

I'd still buy a physical disc despite being on Snow Leopard. I prefer a clean install.
 
This is unavoidable since if you restoring your mac how are you to connect to the internet. They must provide a physical medium to install or restore to the mac.:apple:

You restore using the restore disk that came with the computer and then you add the upgrades.

It would be nice if they sold a disk but there is no MUST in this game.


Even if Lion costs 20 dollars more on a physical medium, I'll still prefer this ...

Try more like $100 more, IF they did it. Because they want folks to use MAS. That's why they undercut the physical disks on the other stuff that is also on MAS and why they will do it with Lion
 
Won't work. Folks would just torrent copies of SL or grab the $29 versions from best buy etc before it disappears or the prices go nutty.

So why not torrent Lion together with a copy of SL? That's nonsense. People could torrent everything when it comes to macs. But somehow Apple keeps selling OS licenses.
 
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