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Mac OS X 10.6.8 to Remove MacDefender, Get Mac App Store Ready for Lion
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Great idea, except for those users that don't have broadband or have a very small data allowance. I worked off a 3G connection for 6 months, with only 5GB/month usage limit. While it would be a great idea, this really can't be the only way to get an OS update.
It has to be a bootable Lion Installation Disk, not Lion with the Lion installer on it. However, as I stated, it was pointed out that you can make a bootable Lion Installer from the disk image embedded in the DP download.
And second I didn't say it would work exactly like the bootcamp partition stuff. I only mentioned the bootcamp stuff because someone suggested it might work like that. I said what if it can't make the recovery partition for some reason? I wouldn't be surprised if only 3 scenarios are supported for the recovery partition to be guaranteed to be made:
- Clean Install
- Disk with only one partition
- Disk with one Mac OS and one bootcamp partition
Sure, I could hack my own boot disk together. But that's not why I got a Mac. I got one so I didn't have to mess around trying to create boot discs that should have come with the OS. If I wanted that I'd use Linux. I'm perfectly capable of doing this but I simply don't want to. I just want to have a working install/recovery disc to hand when things go wrong and I need to get my stuff back in working order. Thinking back on the last year or so I've already used the Snow Leopard DVD this way many times.
Anyway I'd be happy enough with a bootable ISO but I will buy the boxed version if there is one. Even if it was just to put on my shelf next to the other 3 previous releases that I own.
Exactly. 10.7.x will have the App Store required to install at some point and you will have to go and make a conscious change in order to install outside the App Store.
For Apple, the App Store is going to be a big way to prevent infection - if you can only install from there, it will eliminate a lot of the drive-by infections via social engineering.
I don't know which version of 10.7 will have it, but I think that it will be as soon as they can get most of the large developers on board.
For Apple, the App Store is going to be a big way to prevent infection - if you can only install from there, it will eliminate a lot of the drive-by infections via social engineering.
I don't know which version of 10.7 will have it, but I think that it will be as soon as they can get most of the large developers on board.
Hum, no, what you are suggesting is Installing the OS to some kind of medium other than a hard disk. That is not making an installation media, that's making a "live CD".
Now this would be amazing, but I doubt Apple would implement something like that.
Yeah, because that hasn't been done on about every platform out there before. Seriously, Solaris' Jumpstart, HP-UX's Ignite, Linux two dozens or so similar systems, OS X's Netboot... oh wait, Apple already does this!
The firmware doesn't have to contain any Mac App Store code or anything, just enough code to PXE boot and download a boot image from somewhere. This could easily be on the Internet once it's acquired its network configuration from DHCP on your LAN.
Think different... yeah, just like back in 1995 when all this stuff was already old. There was nothing particularly insightful or innovative in that post.
Since a recovery partition is essential part of Lion install process, it has to be tested for every scenario where a Lion install can occur. I haven't tested all those myself, but I'm sure Apple would.
And it does the exact same thing an installation media does. It boots, and it installs.
Anyway, like some others suggested you can create, in your definition, an installation media using the .dmg within the install app of Lion.
Fixed that there for you.
It's convulted.
Good thing for others, because you weren't so forthcoming with that particular nice tidbit. You seem to be rather fond of the complicated methods. Now all that is left is removing the Mac App Store from the equation and I won't have to buy a physical copy.
I wasn't forthcoming because I didn't know about it until I've read it few minutes ago.
You mean convoluted I suppose.
Yes, but it'd be cheaper than buying the physical media, assuming Apple will charge more for it.
Yeah, because that hasn't been done on about every platform out there before. Seriously, Solaris' Jumpstart, HP-UX's Ignite, Linux two dozens or so similar systems, OS X's Netboot... oh wait, Apple already does this!
Really? Apple already does this? Can my mac download an OS from firmware code? No it can't, so Apple doesn't already do this.
And it was irrelevant whether or not the idea was fresh. I just said Apple wouldn't implement it, since if they wanted to, they would have already.
You can install OSX from a mounted ISO. I've done it many times. Without any hacks or trickery. Its just one of the attributes what makes the current OSX installation process so beautiful and flexible.
Yes, it can.
http://www.apple.com/ca/server/macosx/features/client-management.html
So... about that apology. Are you suggesting there's no way Apple couldn't... oh... adapt this to make it boot off/install off the Internet ? Something RedHat and Slackware and countless others were doing back in ... hum... 1995 ?
Don't you dare say the Mac App Store isn't the most flexible and versatile thing ever!
Yeah, but I'm sure Apple will have a physical solution to this. I don't know how it creates a partition on a disk that's already in use, but isn't that possible already with Disk Utility? That's how you set up Boot Camp too if I get it correctly.
I think the downloaded Lion installer creates the partition, flags it to automatically boot from it at the next reboot, and reboots the system. At that point, all control is handed over to that partition just like an install DVD...
But what if your hard drive fails or you want to buy a new one, how do you even restore your previous system with Time Machine? You at least need the recovery partition...
What if the Lion installer also creates a recovery partition on your Time Machine disk? Better even: what if it has the option to turn any USB drive (or DVD) into a recovery disk (i.e. like a real install DVD)? But wouldn't that make it super simple for people to pirate OS X? It's already simple, but at least Apple doesn't provide you with a giant button to clone your retail disk yet...
Lots of questions that need answering here!
The idea that poster put forward was about the mac contacting Apple servers, purchase an OS or check if that user with that mac has that OS purchased before, and download that. That's something more than Netboot.
You can't. First of all, when you mount an .iso, the only thing you see is the Install OS X app, which immediately asks you to restart your mac. So the least of all, you need to "hack" into the invisible folders within the iso.
After that you need to find the correct order of installs, since OS X install uses many different packages, which need to be installed in a correct order, otherwise they don't work.
After that you need to somehow run the correct install scripts, which the installer does not run, unless it's used the way it's designed to be used, which is from boot.
So I don't know how you manage to install OS X from mounted images in an easy way.
Taking your points in order:
- It better not be very hard to install stuff that didn't come from the App Store or people will go elsewhere. For one thing you won't get most freeware developers to sign up for the App Store. Actually since i don't currently use the Mac App Store - does it allow free applications like the iOS App Store?
- How does it eliminate a lot of drive by infections? They could be in the form of browser extensions. And I doubt anyone would want to go through the gyrations needed to put extensions and updates to them through the app store. It also won't prevent certain other things from happening.
- They won't get some of the largest developers on board.
In short, if Apple locks down Mac OS X enough for what you suggest to happen, Guess what? It won't be Mac OS X anymore. And a lot of users will be going elsewhere.
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No, it's exactly what netboot is in a sense. Instead of downloading your OS X image from a local server, the firmware option could simply contact Apple's server and download a "install media" and boot that. That media could contain all the code required to purchase Lion, download it and install it.
The only extra information the firmware would require would be an Internet based URL to download the boot media from.
I can already set this up in a way with an Ignite enabled server on the Internet and the proper dbprofile in the EFI shell of my Integrity boxes.
I'm not sure what alien world you are living on. You go into one invisible folder(if you consider this a hack then I have no idea what to say, its done with two clicks in finder and no hacks). Navigate to OSInstall.mpkg and run it. Nothing else to do, it will install exactly the same way it does when run off its own boot media.
Like I said, the current installer is flexible and beautiful, and has been for quite some time.
And if Apple sets this up then Apple would have that kind of a service up and running, until then, nobody can purchase and install a Mac OS like that.