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Few questions when I upgrade to SL from Leopard.
1. Would I lose my files under Documents and Pictures?
2. I installed few applications, would I need to reinstall them?
3. Few of the apps I bought are for Leopard, would it work on SL?

Thanks

To avoid any loses, always back up the data. They say, it upgrades the OS in that its not a clean install formating the drive. So programs should still work.
 
question from a newbie!

hey - i bought my blackbook a while back and am just about to venture into the world of NAS and soon snow leopard. question. ok if i go out, buy my NAS time machine my machine then buy snow leopard can i do a 'clean install' replug my NAS in and put back all the pictures/movies etc?

think its prob gonna be a lacie internet space plugged into my thomson router, i'll initially do the backup over gigabit ethernet (if it allows) then set time machine to do it remotely from there on? thanks for your help. im enjoying the new mac but its quite a steep learning curve when you want to do gadgety stuff youre used to on the pc!
 
[QUOTE/]Laptop Hunters" ads have been very effective.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call them effective, they were crap & untrue, Microsoft forget to mention all the extras you have to also buy with a PC like a webcam, anti-virus subscription, office ultimate, and even vista ultimate to make it the full version, then theres the 400-600 dollars to spend on software so you get some similar stuff to iLife. Adding all that up, its quite clear that the PC is dramatically more money.
 
[QUOTE/]Laptop Hunters" ads have been very effective.

I wouldn't call them effective, they were crap & untrue, Microsoft forget to mention all the extras you have to also buy with a PC like a webcam, anti-virus subscription, office ultimate, and even vista ultimate to make it the full version, then theres the 400-600 dollars to spend on software so you get some similar stuff to iLife. Adding all that up, its quite clear that the PC is dramatically more money.

+1 This is one thing I noticed when I switched to mac. I really had no hidden costs like when I bought the 14 PC's before I bought my mac.
 
I wouldn't call them effective, they were crap & untrue, Microsoft forget to mention all the extras you have to also buy with a PC like a webcam, anti-virus subscription, office ultimate, and even vista ultimate to make it the full version, then theres the 400-600 dollars to spend on software so you get some similar stuff to iLife. Adding all that up, its quite clear that the PC is dramatically more money.

Most Windows laptops have webcams, you can use free AV software (although a year's cost for a full suite is about £30), you would also have to buy Office for the Mac too if you were using it and Vista HP is perfectly fine for consumers.

As for iLife, you would use Picasa 3 and Windows Movie Maker. Garage Band is about the only differential product and it's pretty niche.

Can we stop this nonsense about extra costs? Windows PCs are cheaper but that's not why we buy Macs anyway so it's a moot point.
 
There wont be any machine checking. Apple have shown with OS X, iLife and iWork that they trust us to do the right thing. No serials, activation or genuine disadvantage. Other than the packaging there is no difference between OS X single user and OS X family pack. You can install OS X single user on as many Macs as you like, but Apple trusts us to do the right thing.

Those that are dishonest, can pay $29 and install it onto a Tiger machine. Those that are honest will pay $169.
 
I really don't understand why people have to bash Windows in this forum...aren't we talking about Snow Leopard here? I really don't understand this superior childish attitude among these fanboys. Just be happy we're going to get an improvement over Leopard.


Do you actually believe what you write or are you just the resident comedian?

Snow Leopard looks good but it's not bringing anything to the table that W7 doesn't for the vast majority of users. Can't see this converting anyone else.
 
It's always good to have competition...that's how you get great products.:)


They're a bit too happy to chime in with declarations spelling the end of Windows and Microsoft. As misguided as it is.

I think we're getting great OS products from both Microsoft and Apple.
 
There wont be any machine checking. Apple have shown with OS X, iLife and iWork that they trust us to do the right thing. No serials, activation or genuine disadvantage. Other than the packaging there is no difference between OS X single user and OS X family pack. You can install OS X single user on as many Macs as you like, but Apple trusts us to do the right thing.

Those that are dishonest, can pay $29 and install it onto a Tiger machine. Those that are honest will pay $169.

Seriously? That sucks, it shouldn't be that easy.
 
I really don't understand why people keep comparing the pricing strategies....it's not like you can install Snow Leopard on a Windows Notebook? and it's not like you want to uninstall MaC OSX to install windows only in the Mac machines?

So can somebody tell me what's this brouhaha about comparing these operating systems?


i know, it's awesome apple is doing this. hopefully it will force M$ to re-strategize their pricing schemes. the family pack SL is dirt cheap, i can't wait to sept, :D
 
Maybe because this is the only time they can feel superior???? People with inferiority complex tend to project themselves through inanimate objects to cover their inferiority.

For me, I don't care whether it's windows or mac...because they compete, I get great products at a cheaper price.


Actually, nothing Apple ever does is flawless. No one can make a flawless product.

It's a shame that some Apple fanatics still honestly believe that using a Mac is a way of life and somehow makes you better than a non-Mac user.
 
I really don't understand why people have to bash Windows in this forum...aren't we talking about Snow Leopard here? I really don't understand this superior childish attitude among these fanboys. Just be happy we're going to get an improvement over Leopard.

Because not only is it fun, it's also well-deserved by MS. A company with that kind of R&D budget, pulling in that kind of revenue off their ridiculously lucrative licensing scheme (part of the the problem, really), and over the years, what have they rolled out?

- Another version of Windows (7) - this makes the first presumably decent version since XP, not that XP was anything to be proud about. MS couldn't get a decent OS out the door in nearly 8 YEARS.

- More Office versions and some confusing Live services that keep getting rebranded, junked, and then replaced, then rinse/repeat.

- Zune (needs no further comment)

- Xbox (this is actually something compelling)

- Bing: an answer to a question no one asked

- Another version of the World's Worst Browser

Where is all that R&D money going? We sure as hell aren't seeing anything come of it. Apple, with a fraction of MS' R&D, manages to upstage them year after year, keynote after keynote, product after product. Apple bashes MS because they know it works. And because they know they can tap into what the average consumer already suspects about MS. It's a wonderful way of reinforcing widely-held ideas: Windows is common, cheap, and perpetually broken (the last part virtually created the entire IT industry.)

There you have it. Not only does MS have no taste, they've been essentially out of ideas since the early part of this decade. Schiller and (more specifically) Bertrand Serlet were correct in their bashing of MS. No need to be nice to competition that is years behind and is in many ways, holding back the entire industry with their horrible excuses for consumer products. MS is essentially a corporate software-provider masquerading as a home/consumer-oriented operation. They don't belong in the home consumer space because they don't know how to manage it.

Apple doesn't create the hype. Users do. Users do because there is reason to. Apple creates great products that people want or didn't even know they wanted. It's just that simple. It's all about attitude - the attitude toward how people should interact with technology; the process that occurs from the time someone picks up a device to the time the result is achieved. When Apple engineers and designers sit down to create/implement something new, dollars-to-donuts there are very different forces at work in their heads compared to anyone else, anywhere else. It's completely different mind-set. We even heard Schiller and Serlet say that at Apple, they come at this from a completely different place. So true.
 
susceptibility to viruses is a function of how widespread the operating system is....with Mac OSX starting to become widespread, I wouldn't be surprised if one day, a virus shows up in a Mac system. NO system is flawless.. there is always a hole.


Did they actually claim that ALL PCs are virus ridden? I thought they said that PCs are more susceptible to viruses? Which is absolutely true.



Which ads and which claims specifically? Link please?
 
Microsoft spend their money on making things compatible. Apple have a fraction of the hardware to support and a fraction of the customers. Don't paint a picture of Apple as David and Microsoft as goliath here. Apple are smaller but not to the extent you imagine.

Are MS money grabbing bastards? Undoubtedly. Are Apple any better? No.
 
Because not only is it fun, it's also well-deserved by MS. A company with that kind of R&D budget, pulling in that kind of revenue off their ridiculously lucrative licensing scheme (part of the the problem, really), and over the years, what have they rolled out?

- Another version of Windows (7) - this makes the first presumably decent version since XP, not that XP was anything to be proud about. MS couldn't get a decent OS out the door in nearly 8 YEARS.

- More Office versions and some confusing Live services that keep getting rebranded, junked, and then replaced, then rinse/repeat.

- Zune (needs no further comment)

- Xbox (this is actually something compelling)

- Bing: an answer to a question no one asked

- Another version of the World's Worst Browser

Where is all that R&D money going? We sure as hell aren't seeing anything come of it. Apple, with a fraction of MS' R&D, manages to upstage them year after year, keynote after keynote, product after product. Apple bashes MS because they know it works. And because they know they can tap into what the average consumer already suspects about MS. It's a wonderful way of reinforcing widely-held ideas: Windows is common, cheap, and perpetually broken (the last part virtually created the entire IT industry.)

There you have it. Not only does MS have no taste, they've been essentially out of ideas since the early part of this decade. Schiller and (more specifically) Bertrand Serlet were correct in their bashing of MS. No need to be nice to competition that is years behind and is in many ways, holding back the entire industry with their horrible excuses for consumer products. MS is essentially a corporate software-provider masquerading as a home/consumer-oriented operation. They don't belong in the home consumer space because they don't know how to manage it.

Apple doesn't create the hype. Users do. Users do because there is reason to. Apple creates great products that people want or didn't even know they wanted. It's just that simple. It's all about attitude - the attitude toward how people should interact with technology; the process that occurs from the time someone picks up a device to the time the result is achieved. When Apple engineers and designers sit down to create/implement something new, dollars-to-donuts there are very different forces at work in their heads compared to anyone else, anywhere else. It's completely different mind-set. We even heard Schiller and Serlet say that at Apple, they come at this from a completely different place. So true.

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Microsoft is getting completely stale anymore. Honestly MS bashing has been good for them. If noone bashed windows I bet Windows 7 wouldn't have been replacing vista nearly has fast as it has. (Win 7 is much better then Vista as well from what I'm seeing).

Its good to get a fire lit under your ass every now and then if your a major company.
 
susceptibility to viruses is a function of how widespread the operating system is....with Mac OSX starting to become widespread, I wouldn't be surprised if one day, a virus shows up in a Mac system. NO system is flawless.. there is always a hole.

I heard this same comment about 4 years ago.

It's been nearly 9 years. We're still waiting. But I'm sure that huge wave of OS X malware is just around the corner. Again.

The reality is that no one knows why there is nothing out there in the wild for OS X, save a couple of trojans that are already getting pretty old. The old market-share argument dictates that we should have at least 1000 viruses by now. Yet, nothing. Others have said it's because no one, not a single soul over the past 8+ years, has cared to write anything or has cared enough to get his buddies together over a weekend over some pizza and Mt. Dew to write anything.

Either scenario works for me, really. OS X/Macs remain products in the Premium retail space, and will ALWAYS command far less market share than what exists lower on the pyramid. As it should be. And if Windows 7 will be as widely accepted as we keep hearing, then ther will be even less focus on OS X.


Microsoft spend their money on making things compatible.

That's really their problem. If they're stuck in the legacy-support model that keeps holding them back, that's their own hole they've dug themeselves into. But don't expect them to change that anytime soon. It keeps making them money, regardless of the on-the-ground customer experience. You don't need innovation or compelling implemenations at MS. Just a bigger cash-register. Cheap, volume sales is what MS is all about.
 
Thanks for saying this...am getting tired of this narrowminded BS....


You're right WindyWoo. I'm an Apple fan but I realize this something other people clearly on this forum don't. Snow Leopard's price tag only appeals to Mac users. PC users would actually have to buy the computer itself. Snow Leopard's price tag isn't going to convert anybody. The fact that people want to own a computer thats more stable AND at the same time are willing to pay a little extra is what's going to convert people. Also, anyone reading this stop with the M$ is going down in flames and M$ is dead business, Microsoft isn't going away anytime soon. Stop living in a dream world. You give the rest of us Mac users a bad name. I have lots of PC friends and lot of them say they don't want to switch to Mac because Mac people are pompous @$$holes and you people talking BS on here are showing it. Stop you aren't helping anything or anyone. Not Apple, not Mac, so just stop.
 
I was not planning on purchasing Snow Leopard, mostly because it adds nothing new that I feel that I absolutely need. However being only $29 I might just have to get my self a copy now.

I will wait awhile before making it my primary OS though. the little things like DiVX codecs, and software incompatibilities need to be fixed before making it my main OS.

But should any issues arise, i still have my Mac Mini with good old rock solid Tiger on it.
 
That's really their problem. If they're stuck in the legacy-support model that keeps holding them back, that's their own hole they've dug themeselves into. But don't expect them to change that anytime soon. It keeps making them money, regardless of the on-the-ground customer experience. You don't need innovation or compelling implemenations at MS. Just a bigger cash-register. Cheap, volume sales is what MS is all about.

What a feeble and retarded argument. Microsoft must support 90% if the industry, Apple supports less than 10%. Of course Apple have more room to manouevre in design and innovation than Microsoft. How is 90% market share a hole? If Microsoft are as terrible as you make out why aren't the positions reversed? Face it, MS have the market share because there is no competition. Apple chickened out by making their OS run on a selective set of hardware, and pricing that hardware out of reach of the daily user.

Cheap volume sales as opposed to Apple's low volume, high markup? Are you seriously trying to say that Apple's strategy is better? You talk like you think rich people are the only ones that matter. Anyway, someone as ignorant and arrogant as LTD deserves the ignore list. Here we go 3 2 1...
 
I was not planning on purchasing Snow Leopard, mostly because it adds nothing new that I feel that I absolutely need. However being only $29 I might just have to get my self a copy now.

I will wait awhile before making it my primary OS though. the little things like DiVX codecs, and software incompatibilities need to be fixed before making it my main OS.

But should any issues arise, i still have my Mac Mini with good old rock solid Tiger on it.

$29 is a no-brainer, really. Brilliant move by Apple. Not upgrading would be pretty silly, to be honest. Unless you have a reason to use Tiger, which is a different story. Tiger is, by now, pretty solid, that's for sure.
 
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